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Old 12-29-2008, 12:43 PM   #61
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Allen, I apologize to both you and Will and all others who found my comments excessive.

Please feel free to delete my post if you feel it is necessary to maintain the decorum of the board.

My funny bone was tickled. I typed while laughing, not in derision, but in honest amusement. Type is inherently inflexible at conveying emotion in the varied and wonderful ways that human speech and body language do. It was not my desire to hurt anyone's feelings and I sincerely apologize.
Ben;

I found your comments spot on. MOD's these days are getting really touchy, not sure why, but I enjoy all your posts, so please, stay at it.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:37 PM   #62
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Ben;

I found your comments spot on. MOD's these days are getting really touchy, not sure why, but I enjoy all your posts, so please, stay at it.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jay!

I fully understand the moderator insisting on maintaining a civil tone. I've seen boards go down the tubes rather quickly when personal attacks, foul language, and/or general snarkiness were permitted.

If anyone wants to discuss the merits of Joel Fuhrman's work vs Gary Taubes... without lapsing into personal attacks or pseudoscience... I'm sure we can do that.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:32 PM   #63
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Ben,

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Old 12-30-2008, 09:29 AM   #64
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Ben, the point I was making in regards to the rising obesity rates among the Japanese youth is that it's not the carbs that are causing it...its the addition of a lot of fat into a diet already high in carbohydrates. The main caloric contributor in western style fast foods is fried fat. The Japanese who still consume a traditional diet, which is VERY high in carbohydrates in the form of soba noodles and rice and very low in fat, are not obese and are not afflicted with metabolic sydrome or diabetes...its a fact, Ben, regardless of what your anti-carb agenda is. However, this DOES NOT mean I'm saying we should all eat like the traditional Japanese. For someone of a different genetic background, that many carbs could certainly prove disasterous. So, if I may emphasize once again, I don't think you can just assign rules for nutrition that are set in stone and the same for all people, regardless of your ethnicity or genetics. I'm sure you are familiar with the work of Weston Price....he points out the good health of people eating traditional diets, whether they are low or high in carbohydrates.
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:34 AM   #65
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An observation that I've made over the last year, including some of my own family members and other nutrition boards is that the people that scream the loudest that a high carb diet can be healthy are ...............addicted to carbs in the worst way! IMHO
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:46 AM   #66
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Wow, you guys are ruthless......cut me some slack, already !! Thanks, Dave, that really made my day Looks like I'm done here. I'll start a new thread about something else, maybe something less controversial.
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Old 12-30-2008, 10:00 AM   #67
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I think one of the things being missed here is that IMO there is a difference between the carbs in the rice that Japanese might eat and the carbs you find in typical Western diet type foods.
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Before I forget I've been meaning to ask everyone what they consider low carb and what they consider low fat?
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Before I forget I've been meaning to ask everyone what they consider low carb and what they consider low fat?
My definition:

Low fat -- <30% of daily calories (standard nutritional recommendation), extreme low fat would be the<10% Ornish diet.

Low carb -- < 20% of calories; extreme low carb: sufficient to cause ketosis. In personal experience, things like leafy greens and such don't seem to matter that much; things like bread, pasta, and sugars seem to matter a great deal.
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