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Old 04-16-2009, 07:56 PM   #21
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I haven't had work done. The thing is, like I said, when I stuck to it my previous diet was working at a pretty good 1-2lbs/week clip, sometimes more. The only time it stopped working was when I stopped adhering to it. The Velocity Diet was just to speed things up with its promises of 15! POUNDS! OF BODY FAT LOSS! and ensure I hit my goal weight. Basically, I got a little bit panicked and a little bit greedy.

If, with my old program, weight loss remains halted I would see about getting my thyroid and all of that checked.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:39 AM   #22
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Eat less, move more, cheat intermittently.

Find an eating plan that does work, find a schedule of low/high cal days that does work, find a schedule of low/high carb days that does work......there is something that will. I'm guessing you will do well with some ratio of low cal/carb to high cal/carb days of 3:1 to 5:1....but only you will find out what does work.
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Old 04-18-2009, 03:56 AM   #23
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If, with my old program, weight loss remains halted I would see about getting my thyroid and all of that checked.
Why not check it now? If you do find a problem it can take time to get it sorted out.

In general, I would put more faith in a Lyle program than a t-nation one. More science, less hype, and he is not trying to sell you anything (except his books, and even that is just so he can prove to one more person that he's right).
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Old 04-18-2009, 10:41 AM   #24
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I don't have insurance and my income is low, so I try to avoid going to the doctor unless I'm absolutely sure I have to.
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Old 04-18-2009, 04:04 PM   #25
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Why not check it now? If you do find a problem it can take time to get it sorted out.

In general, I would put more faith in a Lyle program than a t-nation one. More science, less hype, and he is not trying to sell you anything (except his books, and even that is just so he can prove to one more person that he's right).
The sad part is that he's still fairly obscure and people tend to be pretty ingrained with their ideas when they finally find out who he is (I know I was.)

Emily,
A decent test you can do on yourself is test your morning temperature, first thing. Figure out what your normal temp. is. If that's awful low (of course, hardly anyone runs exactly 98.6 degrees) then you know something's up. if you're in range and experience a drop, then you can move from there.

Just kind of a range finder if you will.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:29 AM   #26
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Go out....eat a big pizza....have some ice cream....go to bed....wake up and see if you feel leaner the next day.....if so, metabolism is reset.....it's a very simple and unscientific test....but a heck of alot more fun.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:33 PM   #27
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Good stuff in here as usual from Lyle McDonald:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...d-i-do-qa.html
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:05 PM   #28
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Go out....eat a big pizza....have some ice cream....go to bed....wake up and see if you feel leaner the next day.....if so, metabolism is reset.....it's a very simple and unscientific test....but a heck of alot more fun.
And unfortunately one that tends to work better for people already closer to their goals. People a little farther off need to be a bit more careful.

You're right though.... it's a lot of fun.
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Old 04-22-2009, 09:17 AM   #29
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And unfortunately one that tends to work better for people already closer to their goals. People a little farther off need to be a bit more careful.

You're right though.... it's a lot of fun.
Frequency of those types of loading days will differ greatly between people with low BF (who can get away with more) vs people with higher BF%. But also....1 day of eating up does not crush a weight loss plan....as the body thinks in calorie load terms over days and weeks....not hours. Anyone can pig out one day and then ramp it back down to counteract it the following days. But the metabolic signals through refeeds may be the lacking part of someone who is plateauing with weight loss....especially if there is a history of more prolonged low cal/carb dieting.

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Effects of short-term carbohydrate or fat overfeeding on energy expenditure and plasma leptin concentrations in healthy female subjects

OBJECTIVE: To determine the effects of excess carbohydrate or fat intake on plasma leptin concentrations and energy expenditure.

DESIGN: Ten healthy lean females were studied: (a) during a 3 day isoenergetic diet (ISO); (b) during 3 day carbohydrate overfeeding (CHO OF); and (c) during 3 day fat overfeeding (FAT OF). During each test, basal metabolic rate, the energy expended during mild physical activity and recovery, and 24 h energy expenditure (24 h EE) were measured with indirect calorimetry. The concentrations of glucose and lactate were monitored in subcutaneous interstitial fluid over a 24 h period using microdialysis. Plasma hormone and substrate concentrations were measured in a blood sample collected in the morning of the fourth day.

RESULTS: CHO OF increased plasma leptin concentrations by 28%, and 24 h EE by 7%. Basal metabolic rate and the energy expended during physical activity were not affected. FAT OF did not significantly change plasma leptin concentrations or energy expenditure. There was no relationship between changes in leptin concentrations and changes in energy expenditure, suggesting that leptin is not involved in the stimulation of energy metabolism during overfeeding. Interstitial subcutaneous glucose and lactate concentrations were not altered by CHO OF and FAT OF.

CONCLUSIONS: CHO OF, but not FAT OF, increases energy expenditure and leptin concentration.
Lyle has a relevant post on fat loss at higher bf% today as well:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...d-i-do-qa.html

T-nation actually has a good article on Leptin overview as well: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...ptin_manifesto
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:57 PM   #30
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What is a sufficiently low level of carb intake that you would consider a carb day? I eat around 100g/day, so figured that it didn't apply to me - I've always assumed it was for the under 30g club.
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