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Old 06-12-2009, 04:40 PM   #11
Dave Van Skike
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Criticism is what i'm after here please, I've gone from bill starr to westside style programming to this sort of stuff so it's not exactly set in concrete!
Honestly, I want to say it looks like a schizophrenic mess...it doesn't look simple to me at all.

You're in the offseason correct? what's your biggest weakness at your position? speed, strength, ball handling?

Kettlebells are great but not as your only overhead work. no one has to bench but a barbell or dumbbells are better by far in the amount of load and variety.. if i played rubgy i'd spend a lot of time with odd objects like sandbags, gripwork and running economy alongside hillwork.

i think you'd better off working the hell out of 531 or westside for skinny bastards for 8 weeks and then roll in conditioning work slowly about 3-4 weeks out. I'd rather show up for two a days strong as a bull and deconditioned than vice versa.


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didn't mean to come across as harsh. actually, if you made the KB as very light active recovery and made them totally optional, that would be reasonable. frankly, this schedule: 2 days of just weights, 2 days of just sprints and one day where you do both is pretty much exactly what i shoot for, but i drop the sprints as soon as my lifts start flagging.
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:51 PM   #12
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More running.

I can't imagine someone training for football and including only 2 days a week of running. You run around more in rugby than you do in football, don't you?
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:13 PM   #13
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More running.

I can't imagine someone training for football and including only 2 days a week of running. You run around more in rugby than you do in football, don't you?
Kinda what i was thinking. During our summer workouts for football and i know it would work for rugby too, We did a 3 days M-T.-TR lifting with an emphasis in the Olympic movements, with speed/tech work done 2 times a week and speed endurance 2 times a week. split the session do running in the morning and lift in the afternoon. wed-fri were body weight/optional rest days. with but running was always m-t speed/ endurance and then tr-f speed endurance lift m-t-tr worked well.
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Old 06-13-2009, 02:14 AM   #14
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The ME/DE method worked well in the past for me. Thing is getting my strength numbers up is great and all but I already have a solid enough foundation of strength. What I found was the strength built in the gym, and I'm one of the strongest people on the team by barbell standards (yes we have a weak team!), is not very useful on the field unless it can be expressed properly. The strongman type stuff has always attracted me as kind of a bridge builder - and the sandbag too. I'll be making a sandbag soon. But the hill sprints and kettlebells are, for me, the best way at the moment to bridge this gap. The strength work in the gym is more maintainance if anything, possibly bringing up the deadlift a little and working on the chins.
I'll throw presses into the strength days and scrap the kettlebell press work.

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More running.

I can't imagine someone training for football and including only 2 days a week of running. You run around more in rugby than you do in football, don't you?
Well it works, the important thing is maintaining the movement pattern. I only run/sprint on hills because of my bad shins. The intramuscular coordination of a running movement only has to be practiced once a week to be maintained if the skill is already learned. The sprinting/jogging serves that twice a week. The additional conditioning is also there in the KB form, which has been brutalizing me lately.

I'm trying to achieve a balance here. I feel strength in the gym needs to be expressed through the hands and feet properly and that it mustn't weigh you down after only half-time. Things like weak hip flexors in comparison to the hip extensors don't help when running around for 80mins. I'm trying to "take the brakes off this summer". Can't remember where that idea came from, probs dan john.

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You're in the offseason correct? what's your biggest weakness at your position? speed, strength, ball handling?
Probably confidence haha! But i'm feeling quite well rounded as it is, although endurance would probably be my weakest point, I can't express my strength effeciently enough yet, it's getting there though! Oh also I quite like the old school, simple training methods.

By the way thanks for all the replies you guys must hate me already, but i've noted everything down.
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