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Old 11-21-2009, 09:04 AM   #11
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Strongest Shall Survive- Bill Starr
Wrestling Physical Conditioning Encyclopedia- John Jesse
Tommy Kono's Oly book (forgot the title...)
Practical Programming for Strength Training- Rippetoe & Kilgore (SS, as well)

A lot of the heavy periodization books have only ben 'interesting' to me, as I've never been (or plan to be) at the level where things get that complex.

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Tommy's book is called: 'weightlifting: olympic style'....i'm not too sure about it though, no doubt TK was a great lifter and his book was great at the time and there is still lots of useful info in it (bottom line i d still buy it!), but it has gotten a little dated and the description of the lifts is quite short imho.

Zatsiorsky, the Science and Practice of Strength Training is very good, but you need to be quite scientifically minded to make use of it in training! one of the best books on training i ever bought!
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Old 11-21-2009, 11:16 AM   #12
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Zatsiorsky, the Science and Practice of Strength Training is very good, but you need to be quite scientifically minded to make use of it in training! one of the best books on training i ever bought!
It's much easier to make useful than Supertraining. Also, a lot of the things written by EFS are good. Particularly 5/3/1 and the EFS Basic Training Manual. They're geared toward practical side of training, rather than the theoretical.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:57 PM   #13
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Out of the books on your list, I'd only recommend Kurz' "Stretching Scientifically." I have Bompa's book,and it's written for bodybuilders on steroids and many supplements. Boyle is crap, and I've heard bad reviews of Kramer's and Fleck's books.
What he said was exactly what I thought when I read your list...are you starting a bodybuilder on steroids program?
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:10 PM   #14
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...Wrestling Physical Conditioning Encyclopedia- John Jesse...
Craig, Can you tell me about this book? It appears to be just the book I have been looking for. I have been looking for an instructional for my MMA training that catalogs various sport specific strength, conditioning, drills, etc. type exercises. Victory Belt has a boatload of books that are basically technique encyclopedias but I haven't found anyone who has done the encyclopedia on strength and conditioning specific to MMA. That book you mentioned looked like it may be the one but from the looks of the cover it looked really dated like it was published in the early 1900's....
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:45 PM   #15
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Don't be surprised when you read it to find that everything "invented" after that book was written, well, was invented before!

I have a case of them and I give away John Jesse's book to everyone I work with in the field. I might have to get another case...
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:32 PM   #16
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What's the issue with Boyle?
Even he admitted somewhere about going overboard on the whole "functional" thing with that book.....I think he would rewrite it if he could.

I've been a reader my whole life....but now, I hit my limit and going for a new concept....dumping my training ADD with no more books, ignorance of all the 1000s of training articles on the internet, progressively load compound/bodyweight lifts in a simple plan and eat lots of whole foods (with IF) for the next year.

Then I will have plenty of time for as DJ calls "wine walks".....which sound like a hell of alot more fun and a relaxed life worth pursuing.

Ahhhh....already feel 30 lbs lighter....

PS. Power to the People was a great read by Pavel.....I like his approaches, simple and fun.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:34 PM   #17
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...I have a case of them and I give away John Jesse's book to everyone I work with in the field. I might have to get another case...
You have a case and are giving them away... The only place I found that book available is a website that is selling them for $45 a piece. Amazon says the book is out of print.
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:57 AM   #18
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Brian, my thoughts on Jesse's book are as Dan's. However, I think there is so much info out there about training for anything right now, that more is generally not needed. So do you need it? Heck no!

Dan has a good thought that bears keeping in mind, which is that he is thrower, who lifts to support his throwing, and so he can tell what works by his throws. I think this has to be true for any sport. Whether John Jesse's book will help any more than what you get here, or from Jameson or from Twight- I don't have any idea.
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Even he admitted somewhere about going overboard on the whole "functional" thing with that book.....I think he would rewrite it if he could.
The overboard thing was what I thought when reading Verstegan's book. Mark Verstegan is in the camp of boyle. They just get caught up on one thing and go too overboard. Verstegan's deal was his obsession with Swiss Ball exercises. They always seem to be making up some stuff where your needing all these accessories like rotational cable machines, swiss balls, bands, etc. then they market all the accessories somewhere.

I found this today, Ultimate MMA Conditioning, http://www.8weeksout.com/. Has Anyone ever heard of that guy? You all probably aren't so much into that training. I'll ask grissim over in the fighting section.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:15 AM   #20
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The overboard thing was what I thought when reading Verstegan's book. Mark Verstegan is in the camp of boyle. They just get caught up on one thing and go too overboard. Verstegan's deal was his obsession with Swiss Ball exercises. They always seem to be making up some stuff where your needing all these accessories like rotational cable machines, swiss balls, bands, etc. then they market all the accessories somewhere.

I found this today, Ultimate MMA Conditioning, http://www.8weeksout.com/. Has Anyone ever heard of that guy? You all probably aren't so much into that training. I'll ask grissim over in the fighting section.
In my opinion, Joel Jaimeson is the most knowledgable guy training MMA fighters right now. He applies block training to MMA, and his methods are based on science. If you'd like to know more about his methods, I'd be happy to share. His forum's a nice resource, because Lyle tends to answer most of the questions that are asked, moreso than Joel.
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