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Old 05-22-2010, 05:23 AM   #11
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Look at some of Rob Wolfs stuff too especially on cortisol
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Old 05-22-2010, 10:27 AM   #12
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Look at some of Rob Wolfs stuff too especially on cortisol
Is Robb's cortisol stuff related to Poliquin's BioSig stuff? I hope it isn't.
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:15 AM   #13
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i don't think so..

but a question like the OP's was brought up not to long ago on CF boards and that person was redirected to some things that Rob wrote when he answered a question on a person trying to do too much and not losing body fat around the abdominal area due to cortisol and some other things
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:34 AM   #14
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Is Robb's cortisol stuff related to Poliquin's BioSig stuff? I hope it isn't.
Cortisol patterns are visceral stomach fat and accumulation of fat on the upper back.

Any hypercortisolism whether from excessive stress or working out too much or whatever else it is.

I think Poliquin has something on that in biosig, obviously Robb Wolf says that, and it's medically documented so I don't know you're saying that exactly?
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:53 AM   #15
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Cortisol patterns are visceral stomach fat and accumulation of fat on the upper back.

Any hypercortisolism whether from excessive stress or working out too much or whatever else it is.

I think Poliquin has something on that in biosig, obviously Robb Wolf says that, and it's medically documented so I don't know you're saying that exactly?
High cortisol can cause visceral fat, but visceral fat does not mean you have high cortisol. Also, once males go under about 15% body fat, visceral fat is not a problem.
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Old 05-23-2010, 09:05 AM   #16
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High stress (mental, physical, lack of sleep, lack of food) will never be good. If you are losing weight in a high stress environment of low calories and high activity level (like boot camp) you will get lean....and then once refeeding happens down the road the bodyweight will self-regulate itself back up storing more fat (stubborn). Hence all the yo-yo crash dieters.

If you already have stubborn fat, increasing stress more is not going to help and only create more and more of it. Hence why IF can work, but not with someone that has fitness ADD working out 7x/wk at high intensity while eating 800cal/day and sleeping 4 hours/night.
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High cortisol can cause visceral fat, but visceral fat does not mean you have high cortisol. Also, once males go under about 15% body fat, visceral fat is not a problem.
Given the number of CF people for who this is a problem I have to disagree at least somewhat.

Very stubborn visceral fat is a problem for them just like Mike describes.
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Given the number of CF people for who this is a problem I have to disagree at least somewhat.

Very stubborn visceral fat is a problem for them just like Mike describes.
Yeah, high cortisol levels are no good.

I'm just saying this:

If you have high cortisol, then you might have high levels of visceral fat.

That does not mean this:

If you have high levels of visceral fat, you must have high cortisol.

This is why the BioSig stuff is not entirely accurate.

And regarding not losing fat/weight at low calorie intakes and high activity levels, Lyle's said he's going to write about that in the future. He says that only starts happening at <5% bodyfat though.
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Oh ok I agree with that.

I don't know if I'll agree about what Lyle is gonna write about though... mmmm.
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