Ah ok, I would have thought any conversation between the 2 would have resulted in the eventual meltdown/name calling that "discussions" seem to always turn into.
"And for crying out loud. Don't go into the pain cave. I can't stress this enough. Your Totem Animal won't be in there to help you. You'll be on your own. The Pain Cave is for cowards.
Pain is your companion, don't go hide from it."