Kettlebells vs Olympic lifting ( Calm Down! It's probably not what you're thinking.)

[Neill Smith]

It would appear that your goal is not to learn the Olympic lifts but to develop explosive power. Is the real question, then: What activities that are effective without coaching are best at developing explosive power?

If so (or if not) I'm curious to hear the answers.

[Gary Ohm]

Heavy sandbag clean and press. Heavy sandbag squat jumps.

[Travis Hall]

Neill,

You are right. That is the real question, I just didn't think to ask it

I'm bored with my routine and looking to add more of a power bias and started wondering about kettlebells.

Gary you are right about, 'the bath water,' but I feel they are an unnecessary investment if they won't help improve this area of my training.

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by Neill Smith

It would appear that your goal is not to learn the Olympic lifts but to develop explosive power. Is the real question, then: What activities that are effective without coaching are best at developing explosive power?

If so (or if not) I'm curious to hear the answers.

Back squat with depth jumps

[Gary Ohm]

Originally Posted by Travis Hall

Gary you are right about, 'the bath water,' but I feel they are an unnecessary investment if they won't help improve this area of my training.

That's one of the most level headed things I've read in a long time. I guess I need to spend more time on this forum than elsewhere...

Regardless, depth squats with a jump would be great. But in the spirit of simplicity, I think I prefer my sandbags. You can bail out without a second thought. If you are squatting and not using bumpers on a platform, something is going to be abused when you bail.

Keep up the solid thinking Travis.

[Allen Yeh]

So what are you looking to develop power for?

Kelly Baggett has some great plyo stuff.

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/articles.html

Joe Defranco's take on developing power and Oly:
http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask...extension.html

[Gary Ohm]

Great links Allen. I got a lot out of Defranco's post and videos there.

[Derek Weaver]

Originally Posted by Gary Ohm

That's one of the most level headed things I've read in a long time. I guess I need to spend more time on this forum than elsewhere...

Regardless, depth squats with a jump would be great. But in the spirit of simplicity, I think I prefer my sandbags. You can bail out without a second thought. If you are squatting and not using bumpers on a platform, something is going to be abused when you bail.

Keep up the solid thinking Travis.

I don't think, or at least hope, that Andrew was suggesting depth jumps with a barbell on your back.

Heavy squats complexed with jumps of some sort (depth jumps, vertical, box variations, seated box jumps etc.) all develop power well.

The problem is that, like Allen said, power for what? The Oly lifts do develop power well, but the learning curve to do them correctly makes them a less attractive option.

There's also this program: http://www.8weeksout.com/phpBB3/view...e1bcdf0 7cee8

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by Derek Weaver

I don't think, or at least hope, that Andrew was suggesting depth jumps with a barbell on your back.

Yep: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=1Sj_...ut=list&num=50


I've been doing this with depth pushups the last 6 weeks too, has been amazing

[Gary Ohm]

Sorry, I've been reading too much stuff over on teh crossfit forum.

Jumping 1RM barbell back squats would be something they would do. Maybe even on a Bosu...

Sorry gang