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Old 09-24-2010, 08:15 AM   #31
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He seems to be fond of googling his name and seeing what folks are saying about him and his athletes.
That's never a good thing.

I'm excited that guys like Broz are getting hard, heavy training front and center again. He's doing a good job and has a hell of a stable of athletes right now. I can't believe he's willing to go on the internet and listen to the rash of garbage he has to, but that's the tradeoff, I suppose.

The question I'd like him to answer is at what point on time do you know that someone has the genetics to build their recovery capacity to train like Mendes does.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:15 PM   #32
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Chad, the CNS is like the boogeyman. Stop believing in it, and it will stop bothering you. Just saying the letters CNS will take 2% off your total.
Gant, I like the way you think.

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Cillis: From what you've said previously here, and what I've seen you post on Facebook, you are fond of ignoring the advice on topics that you specifically ask people about, wasting everybody's time and effort.
Steve, being that I have no idea who you are, I'm impressed that somehow you know something about me. It's been a process of errors and learning. I'm not afraid to try new things, and I'm certainly not afraid of failing. I have consistently integrated new knowledge directly into my training as best I can, however, due to my career choices, which I do not feel the need to discuss, there is training I have to do that is not exactly preferable for overall health and performance. Having just gone over my test results with Dr. G, I'm already improving and recovering, so I do appreciate and utilize the time and effort of others. Thanks for insulting me


Anyways, I apologize for the comparison to past training and sports experience, I was just trying to explain where my train of thought was coming from. All I was really getting at was looking at the article Broz posted, I was just trying to understand if the "adaptation" discussed was unique to weightlifting or if it was something that occurred from all physical activity. Some guys seem bulletproof, I've trained with guys who consider a 10 mile run a short run, and regularly log 60+ miles a week. I'm just trying to understand if they've experienced a similar adaptation as Broz's athletes have, or if there is a different mechanism at work.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:08 PM   #33
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It's true that you adapt to the stimulus.

But if you don't it sends you into the pit of hell called overtraining that may take weeks, months or years to recover from depending on how bad it is.

The major thing is that the greater the stress on the body the bigger adaptations you can build, but if you cross the line of your body's limits to adapt you will crash and crash hard.

The biochemistry is for the most part correct for general adaptation syndrome, and for the neurotransmitter stuff though.

I mean, I crashed from trying to do maximal intensity strength training for 5-6 days a week for months at a time even with week breaks here and there in my training. Not everyone has good genetics to adapt to super heavy all the time.

In the soviet and bulgarian and now chinese system they throw thousands of athletes into the meat grinder.... only a few make it out but those few set world records. Is that a good way to train for everyone? Probably not. But if you can do it then more power to you... just don't expect everyone else to be able to.
*********IMHO The Soviets "system" for the most part was not "meat grinderish" . I was the client of Dr. Michael Yessis in the 80's and trained with Jay Schroeder in the 90's, both having personal experience with the Soviet "system". I knew personally two individuals that were vital cogs in their system, a biochemist that has written several books here in the U.S. - Dr. Morris Silber and a sprint coach and researcher- Ben Tabachnick. With all the research centers and scientists involved each athlete and coach used the principles discovered "individually". That means only when they would get together for example the Olympic games would they train according to a common plan. The Bulgarian methodology seems to work well for those "built" to do the lifts. If not closer to a Soviet "methodology", which is very diverse(more varied stimulus) is the better option.

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