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Old 10-12-2010, 04:08 PM   #11
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Milk isn't paleo, but I have to admit, having removed it from my diet, and then brought it back, I recover much faster drinking milk postworkout. For months I did chicken and sweet potatoes, but there must be some factor that makes milk more bioavailable or something. Then again, sweet potatoes aren't technically paleo either....

That being said, if you're smart about your food choices, you can easily get enough calories. Especially if you go sort of pseudo paleo. I throw heavy cream into my scrambled eggs, heaps of butter into my potatoes, and olive oil on just about everything. Coconut milk is awesome too. I get the lite coconut milk and can literally drink a can at a time. The regular coconut milk is a little thick to drink straight from the can.

If you think about it, there's really no reason why can't build muscle on paleo if you're getting the calories and nutrients.
Thanks Chad,
Are you a heavy lifter?

That was my realization as well....its just food, just better quality. As long as I get all the calories from a better place and better quality food.

As part of my checkup I am getting my insulin sensitivity checked out which might give a few more clues
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:44 PM   #12
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You could plug a few days of your current diet into fitday to see what kind of calorie intake you are getting now, then shoot for a similar amount with paleo foods. You -will- lean out. Seems like most people I've got started on it over 200lb lose about 10lb of water in the first week.

Low(er) carb paleo will often slow muscle gain because of the really tight control of insulin, which someone pointed out in another thread is a VERY anabolic hormone. I fought with this for months, having trouble even maintaining weight on what should be a 500 calorie/day surplus. But then, I'm very lean and have always had a high metabolism. One week into 1/4-1/2 gomad and I'm already putting on appreciable weight. I guess I can thank the big insulin dose that milk provides for that that (and the increased hunger, ironically).

How are they checking your insulin sensitivity? I think Robb mentioned the usual test being pretty worthless in a recent podcast of his.. i think I recall him saying that your A1C is a far better indicator of what is going on.
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Old 10-12-2010, 10:17 PM   #13
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I might just do that with fitday.

The doctor is going to pull the pin on the insulin sensitivity test, and just run a fasted insulin test.


How were you spreading you gallon of milk through out the day?
I trained yesterday and just went with a liter (3rd of a gallon)
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Old 10-12-2010, 10:57 PM   #14
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A1C is super-easy and common, you might look into it as well.

I try and get as much milk in as possible around workouts, plus I'll pop a couple lactase pills just to help my system deal with the quantity in a more... socially acceptable way. On non-workout days, i usually end up drinking less (still a quart at least), often drinking it in 2 halfs somewhere throughout the day. It's not really much of a science. I did full-GOMAD last year for a couple months and put on probably 10lb of muscle and 10lb of fat.. tho the insulin resistance and acne got pretty bad toward the end. It's a pretty stark difference when I'm eating clean paleo (no dairy). Super-clear skin, healthier appearance, rarely get hungry, etc.. I just have trouble putting on muscle, even when I'm eating 'enough'.
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Old 10-13-2010, 05:28 AM   #15
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Dean,

I've just googled your name and if you're the rather large Aussie strength and conditioning coach I think you are it might be worth you talking to Vicki Deakin, who I believe is a colleague of yours, to see if she can suggest ways you can improve your diet.
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Old 10-13-2010, 01:38 PM   #16
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Dean,

I've just googled your name and if you're the rather large Aussie strength and conditioning coach I think you are it might be worth you talking to Vicki Deakin, who I believe is a colleague of yours, to see if she can suggest ways you can improve your diet.
Thats me...and no, she was a lecturer at uni, and I have spoken to her in the past about these issues, but I feel her specialty lies in endurance sports
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Old 10-14-2010, 06:24 AM   #17
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Hello, looking to use paleo type of diet to hopefully increase my quality of life as well as my body composition.
I understand many people experience a positive change in fat to mass ratio whilst on a diet like this.

I weigh about 285 and would like to weigh the same...if not less, but more muscle less fat.

My concern is I wont be able to gain or maintain strength going through this process.

Is there a key to me being able to keep my strength up
Howdy All, Sorry, late to the party.

Last summer I went from 243lbs.@ 20%+ BF > 238lbs.@ 12%BF on a 100% Paleo diet.
I made small strength gains along the way. I've been training for over 30years, small gains are what I expect.
I consumed about 4,000kcal a day. I'm intolerant everything, so NO dairy! This can be done 100% Paleo.
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:03 PM   #18
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Thanks Chad,
Are you a heavy lifter?

That was my realization as well....its just food, just better quality. As long as I get all the calories from a better place and better quality food.

As part of my checkup I am getting my insulin sensitivity checked out which might give a few more clues
Hey Dean, I um *cough *cough do Cultfit.... (ashamed)

I've played with strength cycles though at various times. Certainly not an elite lifter by any stretch of the imagination, but at one point, disappointed with my sub 200 pound back squat and sub 300 pound deadlift, I made a focused effort to improve my lifts. I spent 6 months powerlifting and put nearly 100 pounds on each lift, all the while eating paleo with dairy. Even now, I'm no longer doing @F, I'm following Wendler 531 for 7 weeks now, and I can tell that adding milk and kefir really impact my recovery and strength gains.

That's my "heavy" lifting experience. However, I can tell you from tweaking my diet with @F, I always recover better with dairy. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed rule, but it definitely works for me, so I would recommend to anyone give it shot with and without and compare your results. That, and grass fed whole milk tastes good!
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:44 PM   #19
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That's my "heavy" lifting experience. However, I can tell you from tweaking my diet with @F, I always recover better with dairy. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed rule, but it definitely works for me, so I would recommend to anyone give it shot with and without and compare your results. That, and grass fed whole milk tastes good!
From what I have read from other people dairy is the key.

If I do cultfit, do I have to remove my man bits?
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:52 PM   #20
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Howdy All, Sorry, late to the party.

Last summer I went from 243lbs.@ 20%+ BF > 238lbs.@ 12%BF on a 100% Paleo diet.
I made small strength gains along the way. I've been training for over 30years, small gains are what I expect.
I consumed about 4,000kcal a day. I'm intolerant everything, so NO dairy! This can be done 100% Paleo.
Thats an awesome progression and what I am hoping for

I hope this is not a rude question, but where are your lifts at?

Also where did most your cals come from? Were you eating a lot of fats? Lots of fruits
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