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Old 12-13-2011, 06:40 AM   #2851
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Another satisfied CrossFit customer:

http://www.colinmcnulty.com/blog/201...y-shoulder-op/

"I won’t bore you with the sordid details again, as I’ve already done into details about my SLAP tear, MRI + Arthrogram scan, and how I did it doing CrossFit’s butterfly pullups."
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:42 AM   #2852
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Any good quotes to mine from

http://www.colinmcnulty.com/blog/201...ves-camp-2011/

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Old 12-13-2011, 06:13 PM   #2853
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So throwing a softball makes a person the fittest man on earth? I'm missing something here. I stop paying attention to @fit long ago and now 400lbs deadlifts, 50 yard soft ball throws and power snatches that start standing up all of a sudden makes someone an elite athlete.
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:16 AM   #2854
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Hey guys, first time poster here. I actually found out about this thread from this article here, which I think backs up all of the stuff that has been said already about CrossFit's head office and Glassman's high level douchbaggery.

http://joshsgarage.typepad.com/Cross..._Timeline.html
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:54 PM   #2855
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Hi everyone,

I'm not sure if I'm posting this on the right thread, but I'm brand spanking new and this is how I got here (from @fit site). Hopefully one of the experts here will have the patience to read through everything and be kind enough to offer me some feedback. Bottom line up front: I have been doing @fit for about 3 months, have seen some great progress, but have also started to feel a “tweak” in my right shoulder. I’ve read enough injury threads to feel like I know where this is going, but I really don’t want to lose my momentum. I would like to try and get smarter about my training so I can avoid the injuries that seem to come with some of the @fit programming.

Some background: I am 36 years old, 6'0" 210lbs and work in finance (at a desk all day). I spent four years in the Marine Corps (got out in late '01), and before that high school football college kegstands were really my only athletic endeavors (played center, arguably the least athletic position on the field). I have always been somewhat chubby and feel like I have the metabolism of a hibernating bear. I managed to get myself in good shape for OCS and became fairly obsessed with physical fitness from then on. I was able to max out the PFT for the last two years of my time in, did some reasonably heavy lifting (bench, pull-ups, but no squats or lower body) and got into triathlon. I like to work hard, but have not always worked smart.

After the military came business school, then a couple of 80-100 hour a week jobs. During that time period the only thing I really did fitness wise was train for and run the Marine Corps marathon (in '08). I'm pretty sure Oprah ran it faster than me. My weight got up to about 230 and my max pull ups got down to 5 or so from the 25 I had in the military (pull ups have always been my favorite exercise). I changed jobs and moved home in early '09, and started working with a boxing/S&C trainer to get myself back into shape. I had boxed for a couple years getting ready for and during the military and loved it. The trainer had me doing squats and deadlifts for the first time in my life, as well as some plyo stuff in addition to the boxing.

Six months in I ended up herniating a disc doing deadlifts. Tried to power through it for a few months, but ended up with pretty bad sciatica in both legs. I had managed to drop 25 pounds and got my deadlift up to 265 when I finally gave in to the pain (I could barely walk until about 1pm everyday). After 2 steroid injections, six months off, and 3 months of just pilates, I started hitting it again. I did three months of just boxing and plyo before switching to @fit in September of this year. BTW, I was also diagnosed with an arthritic A/C joint in my left shoulder and have had a couple of injections there as well. Tissue checked out fine in a contrast MRI.

I've been doing @fit for about 3 months now and am starting to feel pretty good. I'm back up above 10 pull ups and even managed to pull 305 a few weeks ago, which was a huge moment for me. My lower back feels strong and the "shocks" down my leg are pretty much gone. Left shoulder has its moments, but seems fine with strict pull ups and everything else.

I researched @fit a bit before starting and am aware of the injury risks, so I have been approaching it the following way. I go 2 on/ 1 off during the week and both weekend days off. I roll out for at least 10 minutes before every workout and spend about 15 minutes stretching afterward. Days off include stretching/mobility work. I do not suffer from the same hubris that so many others in the community seem to suffer from, so am not afraid to scale the crap out of the workouts. I try to scale reps and time more than weight, as I am really trying to get stronger (and am limited to the 4 @fit workouts I do a week, with maybe an occasional lifting day on Saturday). I refuse to compromise form, and will make whatever sacrifices necessary to maintain proper form on every exercise. I am at about 175lbs. on front squats, 95lbs on snatch, 145lbs shoulder press and as I mentioned 305lbs on deadlift. Not sure about the others.

I find that I am having to mostly police myself during workouts because it is difficult for the coaches to keep up with a class of 15 people, at least 13-14 of which have very poor form. The coaches are very good people who seem genuinely interested in becoming better trainers and helping people. The problem during crowded workouts is there are so many people with horrendous form that I worry about being overlooked, especially when fatigue sets in and maintaining form becomes difficult. That is one of the many “business” issues I am starting to have with @fit, but I won’t get into that discussion here.

As I mentioned, I worry about losing the momentum I have with my progress, as I am now committed more than ever to getting myself into great shape. The one unexpected benefit of having started @fit is that it is making me more a student of fitness than I have been historically. That is what landed me here, but I'm not naive enough to think I have the background to program myself effectively quite yet. This is not my chosen field, but I am willing to put in the time to study and learn what I need to. I know that I want to get stronger using the oly lifts, which I really enjoy, but I also know I need a strong dose of well-designed metcon work to continue trying to get lean.

My fitness goals are:

1) To be as strong and fit as I can in everyday life. I want to be a super dad to my kids, and that means being able to keep up and be strong enough to pick them up and play with them. I guess this would qualify as GPP. I also play tennis and would like to improve my fitness for that.

2) Body composition. I would like to be lean for once in my life (or as lean as possible). Even at my peak in the military, I was not as lean as I could have been because my training was poorly planned and I had no clue when it came to nutrition (I realize that is extremely important for this goal). Seeing all of my abs has always been a secret goal of mine.

My questions are:

1) Can you all think of other ways I can prevent my shoulder from getting worse/holding me back? I would ideally program my own workouts and do them at home or another gym, but right now I don't have the equipment. I have a great pull up bar and a jump rope, and am more than willing to buy whatever else I would need, understanding that I don’t have room for much. I also really want to develop the oly lifts, which I won’t be able to do at home.
2) How should I think about which WODs will be good/bad for my shoulder? Sometimes the shoulder crushing impact of a WOD is not apparent to me until I’m done and my body lets me know. Just knowing what to look out for will help me know when to skip and/or scale heavily. I know kipping is bad, and I’m working on strengthening my deadhangs so I can protect myself there.
3) Any other pointers/programming tips you all would be willing to share with me? I have looked hard in my city for a real trainer, and so far @fit is the closest I’ve come. I can’t pay $60+/hour, but I will definitely pay for good programming. There is an oly lifting gym (gayle hatch affiliate) about 30 minutes away that I am going to try and get to twice a week or so for the lifting, so I guess that leaves metcons. These are really important to me, but I have no clue how to program them. I love the difficulty and intensity of the @fit metcons and couldn’t see myself going back to the long runs for cardio.

Sorry for the long post. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:30 PM   #2856
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Hey Albert,

I'm no expert in the field by any means, but my story is very similar to yours. You could try the 50 day workout plan in Ross Enamait's book Infinite Intensity or Never Gym-less. These are crossfit-like workouts that are much more thought out. Ross backs his work with sound research and I have had killer gains from the Infinite Intensity plan with no more injuries. I think that Cathletics carries his work as well as Rosstraining.com. That's just my two cents, but I promise that you won't be disappointed with the results. Guy Bertrand
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Old 12-17-2011, 02:25 PM   #2857
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Hey Albert,

I'm no expert in the field by any means, but my story is very similar to yours. You could try the 50 day workout plan in Ross Enamait's book Infinite Intensity or Never Gym-less. These are crossfit-like workouts that are much more thought out. Ross backs his work with sound research and I have had killer gains from the Infinite Intensity plan with no more injuries. I think that Cathletics carries his work as well as Rosstraining.com. That's just my two cents, but I promise that you won't be disappointed with the results. Guy Bertrand
Thanks very much, Guy. Just ordered Infinite Intensity and look forward to checking it out.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:27 AM   #2858
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Im a big fan of Olympic lifts for a number of reasons-I've also found that anything more than a few weeks at a time of cycling on a strictly Olympic training program, I begin to get shoulder and other joint issues. I still use Olympics in my training, but have found that switching to more of a 5x5 basic training template, with supplemental High Intensity work added on, is much easier on my body-the technical nuances of Olympic work absent a good coach to manage your training and to watch the lifts themselves are just a bit much, in my opinion. I'm very fond of Zack Evenesh's programming-its all very fun, strength oriented, but could certainly be applied with a more high intensity/conditining focus. You might try his Bodyweight Strength Training or some of the related stuff. I've really drifted away from any of Crossfit's programming-I'm not sold on the safety or usefulness of no programming or periodization, kipping pull-ups, etc, on the shoulders and joints.

You can find Evenesh's stuff at
http://zacheven-esh.com/
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:30 PM   #2859
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No problem man. I think you'll like Ross's use of equipment, and you may see that using dumbbells to work your Olympic lifts for awhile will really alleviate allot of your injuries without sacrificing strength. Good luck man! Let me know your honest opinion of the book, I'd really like to hear someone else's opinion of it. Guy B.

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Old 12-21-2011, 02:02 AM   #2860
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Yeah the only reason why I paid for it was to watch Kelly Starrett and Mike Burgener videos, the rest is aweful. If you're looking for resources shoot me an email I'll send you my notes page address, last time I posted it here I had 400, up to 900 now, way better option than wasting $25 on Crossfit.
may I ask for the link. couldn't find your email address. tnx
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