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Old 03-02-2012, 09:57 AM   #2871
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Since when did Dutch Lowy stop doing CrossFit or stop being associated with CrossFit? Anyone know why?

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Blair is right, Dutch decided to concentrate on Olympic lifting and now he does seminars and runs the gym Black Box Fort Worth. I think he may have drifted away from CF after the Black Box Summit incident.

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Wallballs at the wedding day. That is so friggin stupid.
Actually I think the idea is kind of fun, although I think it's a little odd to make your marriage all about CF. But by far the worst thing is that godawful orange shirt the groom is wearing.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:42 AM   #2872
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But by far the worst thing is that godawful orange shirt the groom is wearing.
It's almost as embarrassing as his L-sit.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:45 AM   #2873
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Either this is some kind of retarded April Fools Day joke or CrossFit WODs just reached a whole new level of stupid.

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Sunday 120401

Five rounds for time of:
Underwater swim 25 yards
50 Squats
http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/008279.html
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:39 PM   #2875
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There is a lengthy facebook thread on this as well:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/CrossF...45020595530343
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:52 AM   #2876
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There is a lengthy facebook thread on this as well:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/CrossF...45020595530343
Thanks for the link.

I'm not on Facebook so I would have missed it otherwise.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:36 PM   #2877
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This isn't getting nearly the love it deserves:

Coach Glassman Intervention

Dear Coach Glassman,

We won't quit until you start WODing and eating well. You gave us the gift of Crossfit. Now, we're going to give it right back to you.

Crossfit is scalable. Get after it!

Love,
Crossfiters for Glassman


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Old 07-20-2012, 05:13 PM   #2878
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Steve,

I was speaking in general terms of training; most of what we use today that forms the backbone of our athletic training methods are derived or evolved from Soviet Bloc methods. As you're aware and have mentioned, how it moves from there into sport-specific work varies dramatically by a ton of different factors. I'd expect the lack of Soviet track stars had a lot to do with apathy towards track events in general; I can't recall the Soviet program ever seeming to be interested in track, although they always took an interest in field events. Perhaps the reasons are because the training simply didn't apply well enough to make champions, but its equally possible that there was simply never enough people interested in it over there to put the effort into it.

As for recently, you could make a very good argument that the reason behind lack of Russian success in the last 2+ decades is the same reason for the rapid decline of Russian hockey players, field athletes, and gymnasts- There's no longer Soviet system to pump cash into development, and Russia has spent the better part of the last 2+ decades in disarray as far as sport development is concerned. The rise of Chinese sport in the past decade is testimony to what a dedicated effort by a centralized government (Is China still considered "communist"?) can do.

Its only in the last few years that Russian sport has began to recover, and you're seeing the results, like Ekaterine Blesinka, who won the 100m Hurdles in the youth Olympics. The Russian 4X100m men just won a gold (the Ukranians roided-out) at the U23 Euro championships, and shot-putter Yevgeniya Smirnova just won bronze at the world junior championships. The development is coming, its just nowhere near where it once was.

One must also consider the continuing success of the former Soviet satellites, who, without the internal turmoil that faced Russia, have continued to do well, even if the get caught doping more frequently than most.
*********** When the USSR was intact they got caught doping very rarely. They had a very few track stars based IMHO on the fact that the field events are more subject to training than track is. In other words genetic predispositon is a more significant factor in sprinting for example. Complex technique and special strength are inherent in the field events.
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:33 PM   #2879
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Sorry Dan, if you go back in this thead I've made that comment way before Lyle put down his neverending story.

Soviet sport science is a worthwhile resource, but you have to apply it on a sport to sport basis. For example: Verkhoshansky outlined a program for a 100m sprinter, but it was completely different than the programs the current crop of top 100m sprinters do. There are some underlying reasons for this, including some interesting cultural ones, but how do you reconcile the difference when you hadn't produced a competitive 100m runner in 2+ decades?

Andrew's decathalon bias is evident in his opinion about Soviet sports science. The broad range of competitive events makes some of the Eastern Block methods more attractive and logical.
********* What would be the cultural reasons that the methods 100 meter are different than the current ones ?
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:02 PM   #2880
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Yeah

1. They're Assuming peaking comes down to the moment of competition, its actually the process of shaping sporting form over an annual or multi annual plan. The "two weeks of peaking" they're referring to is actually a period for supercompensation to take place via Long Term Delayed Effect which is why training is reduced: to recover and supercompensate. Reading this article, its quite obvious they have no idea about this nor any experience:




Principles for training aimed at speed development Verkhoshansky


Speed training for high level athletes, Yuri Verkhoshansky

2. The Gorski quote is about the depth of the Soviet cyclists, not "peaking"; and Soviets are the creators of periodization and the conjugate sequence system- the inventors of "peaking" and LDTE, they completely missed that- they "stay up all the time" because they're training in prescribed training block in the conjugate sequence system.

3. They're picking their argument against events which are measured in seconds, fractions of seconds, and centimeters, millimeters, which have hundreds of variables other than the sportsman's peaking form that effects the performance: wind, angle of trajectory, environmental conditions, illness, performance psychology, injuries, technical and biomechanical alterations, tactical alterations; events where the slightest minimal alternation can drastically change performance outcome. They argue Maurice Greene's 9.87, 9.82, 9.80 and his inability to set a pr to beat Justin Gatlin; think about that. That's not a second. Not tenths of a second. Thats HUNDREDTHS OF A SECOND. Think of how much time that is in relation to moving your leg. That's the core of their argument against "peaking periodization"? The same applies to every event they mention, except the Ironman which the difference is collective. Maurice Greene and other sprinters frequently pull hamstrings and hip extensors, hince why Tyson Gay and Usain Bolt aren't setting PRs this month. These people should congratulate these athletes for being so consistent by HUNDREDTHS OF A SECOND in their maximum performance in dealing with these injuries.

4. Its complete conjecture. They aren't coaches of these elite athletes nor professonal sports scientists so their entire argument is based on their own assumption from watching youtube videos, reading wikipedia, and not examinations of specific physiological parameters in explosive strength, starting strength, maximum strength, reactive ability, maximal anaerobic power, maximal aerobic consumption, and maximal anaerobic threshold which evolves through the training process to peak form. They aren't around these athletes nor investigating their performance or the progression in training effect through the season. They don't know the detailed changes in training, sporting form, injuries or obstacles that interfer or maximize performance. And they aren't even providing legitimate, proven evidence gathered by themselves to back the argument. Anyone of the athletes they presented that didn't set a "PR" or "SB" in competition very well could have in training or in physiological parameters mentioned above and simply was not able to squeeze out every MILLIMETER AND CENTISECOND in their competition.

I want to look at that Nebraska study, but it isn't on pubmed but I know they're spinning it.

5. Where are their athletes in these competitions that didn't use "peaking" to compare to peak athletes to? If they're methods of "not peaking" are so superior they should be out performing athletes that do "peak" in the exact competition. But where are they? They can't say they have superior method to something and not have their own method in the same competition to compare to!

6. Brian Mackenzie is an endurance coach. He has the opportunity to produce a 13 minute 5k runner and an 11 hour 100 mile runner, one RAW with no prior background. I want to see him do it without periodization or peaking. Lets see it, Crossfit Endurance has been online for what 3 years? and he hasn't produced anything yet.

And finally, they are not looking a the COMPLETE evolution of the sportsman. By COMPLETE this means from age 13 to retirement. Usain Bolt DID NOT run a 9.58 as a 13 year old. Then how else did he gain that ability? ??????

If anyone wants to legitimately read articles on this subject the best place is here http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Article...0/Default.aspx


*********** On an off subject do you consider Verkhoshansky just to be a theorist ? According to his website he constructed a program for the sprinter Korneluk (4th in the 1972 Munich Olympic games 100 meters). Too bad he burned out at 80 meters.
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