On Board with ZMA? - Page 3

Yael Grauer · 11-01-2006, 04:12 PM

Thanks. 5mg of B6 is not nearly enough to cause any problems without other B's. Is there like a woman's version of it or something? I could've sworn that several women who told me they were taking ZMA said they were only getting 300mg of magnesium.

Right now I take 35-50mg zinc, 25-35 B6 and about 650 mg magnesium. 400-800 is a good maintenance dose though. I'll look into switching to it when I run out of my current stash.

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Originally Posted by kevin mckay

Sceloporus occidentalis?

Urosaurus ornatus. Close though!! I've got some beautiful Coleonyx variegatus (subspecies bogerti) that come visit me sometimes. I love them.

Chris Forbis · 11-01-2006, 05:10 PM

I take Now Sports ZMA.

The prescribed dosage for men is 3 pills and has 15mg B6, 450mg Mg, and 30mg Zn.

It prescribes 2 pills to women, thus 10mg B6, 300mg Mg, and 20mg Zn.

Yael Grauer · 11-01-2006, 08:34 PM

Wow, I'm surprised that they think women need less than men do. Zinc and B6 and magnesium are awesome for women since they affect hypothalamic dopamine, which regulates progresterone/prolactin and promotes liver clearance of elevated estrogen (most women are estrogen-dominant due to a bunch of reasons including the estrogenic effects of our toxic environment--xenoestrogens). But I guess if women learned they could use vitamins to do all that, then the medical system would have to stop peddling progesterone cream (and alternative health practitioners would have to stop peddling vitex and Shatavari)... all those things are really harmful and vitamins are harmless. Also women are more likely to get all kinds of diseases that are supposed to be due to low calcium but are actually due to low magnesium (the body needing Mg to properly utilize calcium). Okay, so I'd be interested in why they think men need more than women. Anyone know? The only thing I can think of is that some people say magnesium gets used up according to protein intake, and since ZMA is marketed to athletes men are more likely to be drinking bucketfuls of protein powder than women are.

Jeremy Jones · 11-02-2006, 03:45 PM

Now that we are all ranting and raving about ZMA (or generic)

Where do YOU get the stuff? (I am about to run out and I want to get some cheap).

kevin mckay · 11-02-2006, 05:19 PM

so what is the consensus is it better to buy zma or is it the same thing to buy the separate components?

Allen Yeh · 11-03-2006, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Jones

Now that we are all ranting and raving about ZMA (or generic)

Where do YOU get the stuff? (I am about to run out and I want to get some cheap).

I like buying my stuff from here:

http://www.dpsnutrition.net

Steve Shafley · 11-03-2006, 05:24 AM

The cheapest ZMA I've found is the Biotest brand from the Biotest store...$9 for 90 caps, and they did, and might still do, use the same source that Victor Conte came up with at Balco Labs or got from SNAC.

Ben Kaminski · 11-03-2006, 09:08 AM

For what it's worth, I've found my dreams to be enhanced by eating 2-3 cups of mixed greens in the afternoons. I used to take ZMA, got off it when I went paleo and tried cutting out most pills. The dreams I get from mixed greens aren't nearly as strong as those from ZMA, but still along those lines.

I'll probably try ZMA again after reading all of this, heh.

Scott Kustes · 11-06-2006, 01:12 PM

I was thinking about that too Ben, maybe on a lower dosage. Instead of 3 caps nightly, I may do 1 cap nightly, then a $10 bottle is a 3 month supply.

Chris Forbis · 11-12-2006, 08:00 AM

At the beginning of this thread, Shaf mentioned that if he misses the window of opportunity with ZMA (30-60 pre-sleep) that it seems to disrupt his sleep.

Does anyone else have experience with taking ZMA outside of this window?

What little anecdotal evidence I have accrued via the web seems to indicate the empty stomach part is more important than the pre-bedtime part...