On Board with ZMA?

[Frank Needham]

Originally Posted by kevin mckay

I do not understand what the difference is between this and just getting zinc and magnesium aspartate and b12 separately?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_%28supplement%29

I'm sure not a chemist with a good explanation of what makes the combo work but ZMA will do as described below whereas its elements taken seperately will not. I'm still in shock over how I feel from using this stuff in just a matter of days.

Brilla further explained, "The muscle strength increases may have been mediated by the anabolic hormone increases in the ZMA group. The ZMA group had 30% increases in free and total testosterone levels compared to 10 percent decreases in the placebo group... The ZMA group also had a slight increase in insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) levels compared to a 20 percent decrease in the placebo group. This study shows that anabolic hormone and muscle strength increases can be induced in already strength-trained athletes by using a novel zinc-magnesium preparation.

[kevin mckay]

what study is that from?

the A 1999 study on NCAA Football players

"It is important to note that this study was funded by SNAC Systems Inc. (the patent holders) and that one of the study's authors (Victor Conte) has equity in this company"

[Steve Shafley]

After reading "Game of Shadows", which is about the Barry Bonds/Victor Conte/Balco/Tim Montgomery etc steroid scandal with the cream and the clear and all that, if I would have never tried ZMA, I probably wouldn't now. Having tried it, I seen it's effectiveness firsthand, given that I went to sleep in the correct timeframe after taking it, I can't discount it.

[kevin mckay]

ok, I guess I will give it a shot.

[Frank Needham]

Originally Posted by kevin mckay

what study is that from?

the A 1999 study on NCAA Football players

"It is important to note that this study was funded by SNAC Systems Inc. (the patent holders) and that one of the study's authors (Victor Conte) has equity in this company"

Each to their own but I for one do not talk of things that do not work, at least for me, in regard to most everything. I've had a lot crap blown by me in my years. All I can say is that I'm sleeping better, this is an absolute, and my lifting is going very well as a result. My state of mind is such that I've got to hold myself back some, the next workout looks very inviting.

[kevin mckay]

Originally Posted by Robb Wolf

Zinc increases the excreation rate of copper. I think Dr. Eades had a piece on this a few weeks ago. Jarrow knew aobut this issue years ago and cooked up thier version of ZMA, with a smidge of added copper to offset any loss. I really like that company and thier products.

I could not find zma on the Jarrow site do you know if they still offer it?

[Mike ODonnell]

can't beat this price
http://www.nutricraze.com/ZMA-800mg-p-NF-113.html

[Bobby Spencer]

NOW is a good company. I've tried different brands of ZMA and they have all had similar, good results. It should be cheap regardless of which company you choose and be sure it matches the original Conte/SNAC blend as some companies like to throw in extra stuff like tribulus I use Primaforce ZMA and I get a 2 month supply for about 18 dollars. I am sure NOW is just as good though.

[Frank Needham]

NOW is the one that I happened to choose, mainly coz it was a good deal on iherb.com...Nothing but good things to say about it!

[Mike ODonnell]

somehow stumbled across Victor's site.....some interesting articles as it'a all about ZMA

http://www.snac.com/research.htm

somehow I'm not sure that they are still shipping orders....