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Old 07-04-2007, 03:42 AM   #1
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Default Is fiber really necessary?

This article really made me rethink all I thought to know about how necessary fiber is supposed to be:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=274#null

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Old 07-04-2007, 08:11 AM   #2
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Honestly, I didn't find that very persuasive. His comparison of respiratory mucus with the digestive system is a very stretched metaphor, to say the least.

Looking at it from my common-sense perspective, I think most people need more fiber in their diets, because most people don't eat enough vegetables. If you're eating enough veggies, you're getting all the fiber you need, and you don't need additional supplements. If you're not eating the green stuff, then taking fiber supplements may help a little, but nothing like adding plenty of fresh, whole vegetables back into your diet.

From a paleo perspective, it's reasonable to believe that ancestral diets were significantly higher in fiber than modern meals, because of greater consumption of unrefined plants.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:35 AM   #3
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I think we are wired for a good bit of fiber...but the Inuit and others get by fine with little to no fiber.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:46 AM   #4
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Just read the Eades post...I remember reading a study on psyllium and GI inflammation, totally makes sense.

Bottom line (anyone get the pun?) if you introduce an irritant to a system you will get problems. This is likely why intermittent fasting further improves digestion, simply decreasing the number of physical irritants to the GI tract.
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:38 AM   #5
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Was discussing it elsewhere and while one person commented on her having only one BM in 4 days after embarking on a low-carb low-fat low-fiber diet, someone else with IBS said she was a happy trooper as she went from 7 BMs a day to just 2.

So I guess when someone has IBS and suffers from too fast moving bowels, (s)he might not need as much fiber as a healthy person, or someone with too slow bowel movements.
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:59 AM   #6
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Most average people have 30lbs of old crap (pardon the pun) stuck in the intestines....we need fiber to help scrape all that caked on toxin releasing material and get it out....and nothing feels better then getting all that crap out....add some bentonite clay and really see what has been sticking around for years.....

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Just read the Eades post...I remember reading a study on psyllium and GI inflammation
Isn't psyllium like 75% soluble fiber? Wouldnt something like ground flaxseeds be more of an irritant with 75% insoluble? I wonder...what is the average balance of soluble to insoluble in nature...

Intersting discussion btw....good stuff
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MOD, I keep hearing that line about having all that crap caked on. Is there any source to actually prove that?
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:39 PM   #8
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MOD, I keep hearing that line about having all that crap caked on. Is there any source to actually prove that?
I took some fiber and bentonite a while back....and the stuff that came out.....well I didn't save it but that was my source.....other than that most of the people who go that whole detox way will tell you about it too....most of it is from processed foods and other unnatural sources and a diet low in fiber....all about the healthy gut after all.....you can see it especially with people with those distended stomachs....their guts are a mess!

Funny enough I know some older guys who are in the PL circle and swear by using it.....one guy said he even got out what looked like gallstones....no idea....but when you crap out some putrid stuff and your stomach flattens and you lose weight....well something must be going on....unless you crap out a kidney or something....but pretty sure that is not possible...I don't think you need all those fancy detox kits...I just stick with ACV, fiber, and bentonite.....cheap stuff that seems to work....but how do we even know unless you cut yourself open....and by then it's too late......I heard Elvis had a ton of crap....I'd believe that one!

I even believe you can bathe in it and it is supposed to pull metals out through the skin....no idea on the validity of that one...
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:29 PM   #9
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Ive read about the bentonite clay thing before, but surely, if you eat clay, your 'output' IS going to look totally weird, you are crapping clay!
Ok possiblly it does pull some toxins with it, but who knows?
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Old 07-05-2007, 08:28 AM   #10
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I personally have a tough time with the "crap caked on" idea.

There would be no way to absorb ANY nutrients through 1/4" of crap.

I do think it is just massive gut inflammation and swelling.

Larry L. has said it before, that he's been in on many autopsies and never seen the loads of old crap--only what was relatively recently eaten.

Then again, I know a woman who hasn't had a solid BM in years, she's always constipated, and she's always eating. I don't know where else all that food could be, other than stuck inside of her belly.

Who knows...
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