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Old 07-24-2007, 07:08 AM   #1
Eva Claire Synkowski
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Default put down the diet soda

nothing new to you all:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/repr...A.107.689935v1

higher association of metabolic syndrome with soft drink consumption, regardless of regular vs. diet: "both regular and diet soft drinks
appeared to pose similar metabolic hazards"


but of course, there is this:

http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsI...ews_detail.asp

"For example, although the study authors expected a stronger association between risk of MS and higher consumption of regular soda than for diet soda, they didn't find one. Consumption of diet sodas was associated at least as strongly with MS symptoms as was that of regular sodas. Such results are not biologically plausible, and substantially weaken the argument that any of these beverages are really linked to MS, or are intrinsically not healthful."
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:25 AM   #2
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Man I really need to work on cutting the diet soda out...d'oh!
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:19 AM   #3
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artificial sweetners have been tied to MS symptoms for a long time....
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:33 AM   #4
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I saw that this morning and had the same thoughts as Allen.

I have been trying to moderate my diet soda's to 1 / 2 a day. I guess I really need to focus on this.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:16 PM   #5
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Ruth Kava wrote the response to that study...and is apparently a retard:
http://www.acsh.org/about/staffID.10/staff_detail.asp

Results are not biologically plausible? I guess no one has let her in on that fact that AS release insulin...especially those at risk for metabolic syndrome.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:35 PM   #6
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Dr. Kevin Morgan told me this in about 1985. He was the one who gave me Phil Maffetone's book and that is what got me thinking in a different direction.

One upside of this study: it freaked my daughters.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:47 AM   #7
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From what I read it wasn't clearly demonstrated that diet soda consumption was not an indicator of other lifestyle issues. There were some controls made to the study, but I don't think it has been clearly demonstrated that it's the soda, and not other thing(s) in common among the soda drinkers.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:18 AM   #8
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John-

I only read it once but i thought they DID control for con-founders including smoking, sat fat and exercise?
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:15 PM   #9
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Rob
Sorry if I was unclear, my impression was that some factors were controlled for but that not all were. Of course the nature of the study makes controlling all factors pretty hard.
Maybe I was a little off in what I was reading; I have seen different takes on the study and (yep!) didn't read the source fully myself.
Or maybe I'm just oriented towards being skeptical to simple study solutions sometimes.

Edit: here's what I saw:
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The researchers say the association between soda consumption and metabolic syndrome remained significant after they "adjusted for saturated fat and trans fat intake, dietary fiber consumption, smoking, and physical activity." But they concede "it is conceivable...that there may be residual confounding caused by lifestyle factors not adjusted for in the present analyses."
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/121606.html
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