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Old 08-31-2007, 07:14 AM   #11
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Great thread. Keeping an eye on intensity/volume is sooo important. This type of programming start looking like Devany's stuff in a way.
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:03 PM   #12
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If you keep both short, then what do you think is going to have a bigger impact on overall cortisol levels?

As long as you have high peaks and low valleys, i.e. a bigger contrast, it shouldn't be an issue. High activity followed by rest and general laziness is probably going to result in a less negative impact than two days of moderate activity.

I'm not sure that's what you need to really be worrying about wrt hormonal activities.

I can really get a good strength workout in with 2 exercises. Even if I go moderate volume with that, then it's still done quickly, taking on some kind of hard and fast metcon is like icing on the cake.
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:28 AM   #13
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Are there any studies to compare GH and cortisol levels on a more strength based routine vs metcon higher intensity? As I grow....ehhh emmm...older....I lean more toward just strength training....I get plenty of metcon with ice hockey and mountain biking....but if I try to throw in more sprints or other metcon, I get wipped and don't recover....but if I stay strength I feel great and then feel so much more energetic during sporting events. I'm guessing it has to do with increased GH release and more recovery times. Just from a health and longevity perspective....plus I know fat loss is all eating, so keeping lean is just fine tuning the diet. (which I did NOT do over the long weekend....and funny how much my joints and old injuries hurt more after a week of going nuts....back to getting it on track...but damn that ice cream cookie sunday was good.....and so wasnt the carb coma it put me in 2 hours later!!)
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:44 AM   #14
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Mike: I'd like you to do an experiment for me.

Get yourself 10 ampules of a testosterone blend, like the infamous Sustenon 250 you can generally find in most underground steroid markets, or even a 10 mL vial of legit testosterone enanthate or cyprionate at 200 mg/mL, and inject either 1 amp or the blend or 1 mL of the straight ester weekly for 10 weeks.

Then come back and tell me how you feel.

10 weeks isn't going to damage your HPTA, and the dosage is just a bit higher than replacement.

I really suspect androgen deficiencies and aromatization is a bigger issue than GH, though GH deficiencies are certainly going to impact recovery.

This is a slippery path. I warn you in advance.
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:42 AM   #15
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On that note, this thread is apparently dead.

Don't fear the needle, O'Donnell. Everyone is doing it!
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:00 AM   #16
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On that note, this thread is apparently dead.

Don't fear the needle, O'Donnell. Everyone is doing it!
Technically I'm not even over 40....so I am just trespassing in this thread. My T levels are probably not where they need to be.....but I am not looking to really get that much more muscle and I perform well at my given sports of choice....so I am happy for now.
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:05 AM   #17
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I really suspect androgen deficiencies and aromatization is a bigger issue than GH, though GH deficiencies are certainly going to impact recovery.

What would you suggest (that is perfectly legal) in this arena? T-boosting supps? Estrogen supressing supps? Lifestyle changes?
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:21 AM   #18
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I think for the most, lifestyle changes and dabbling in non-scheduled anti-aromatases might be the first thing to try.

The stuff like tribulus, etc, always makes me hornier than normal, but I don't know if that cooresponds with a higher T level or not.
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Old 09-06-2007, 10:09 AM   #19
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Estrogen supressing supps?
Just reminds me of Ori's latest marketing spin.....all anti-estrogenic. Which I believe he said cut out all plastics (which is a good idea) esp drinking water containers and stay away from pork and bacon.

That might be the 20% genious amoungst his 80% insanity.

As for lifestyle I just know that is out of whack for me right now....so I guess time to sit down, clear the head, know what I need to do right and take it into action. Never did like the whole Beer suppressed T levels thing.....totally goes against the Irish Longevity idea....all in moderation I guess.
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Old 09-06-2007, 05:07 PM   #20
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On that note, this thread is apparently dead.
Not yet, Steve. I decided to try the 8-day, one on/one off split. I'll report back.
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