Home   |   Contact   |   Help

Get Our Newsletter
Sign up for our free newsletter to get training tips and stay up to date on Catalyst Athletics, and get a FREE issue of the Performance Menu journal.

Go Back   Catalyst Athletics Forums > Nutrition > Paleo Diet

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-19-2008, 09:14 PM   #1
Ale Dileo
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Italy
Posts: 31
Default high fat diet = insulin resistance?

http://www.physorg.com/news119547408.html
Ale Dileo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 07:44 AM   #2
Steve Liberati
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 459
Default

I don't think the fat is the culprit by itself or on a low carb diet as much as when combined with unfavorable refined and starchy carbs. Synergistcally, fat and carbs are known to cause a wicked insulin response. I'm curious what other macronutrients were involved in conducting this research. I suspect they are neglecting to see the whole picture here. Hopefully some others will chime in here and offer their take.
__________________
100,000 generations of humans have been hunters and gatherers; 500 generations have been agriculturalists; ten have lived in the industrial age; and only one has been exposed to the world of computers.

Steve's Club
Crossfit Tribe
Steve Liberati is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 08:04 AM   #3
Allen Yeh
Senior Member
 
Allen Yeh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 4,245
Default

Quote:
"There are two very easy ways to prevent insulin resistance: Exercise more – you'll help mitochondria burn fat more effectively, or eat less fat in your diet. That's always easier said than done, of course."
I thought the 2nd part was interesting, since isn't that what was pushed very hard and heavy for more than a couple of decades now and look where that has gotten us in terms of diabetes type II?
__________________
"And for crying out loud. Don't go into the pain cave. I can't stress this enough. Your Totem Animal won't be in there to help you. You'll be on your own. The Pain Cave is for cowards.
Pain is your companion, don't go hide from it."
-Kelly Starrett
Allen Yeh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 09:23 AM   #4
Mike ODonnell
Senior Member
 
Mike ODonnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,596
Default

Nothing new, don't eat meals high in fat and carbs. Same simple advice just in a new study. But now it's saying "low fat" is better....great that phase again....cause that helped lower Diabetes....Ummmmm wait.

Like Steve said, would not be an issue on a lower carb diet or properly timed inputs...aka protein and fat during the day.....carb and protein post workout....
__________________
Fitness Spotlight
The IF Life
Mike ODonnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 12:09 PM   #5
Ale Dileo
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Italy
Posts: 31
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Liberati View Post
I'm curious what other macronutrients were involved in conducting this research. I suspect they are neglecting to see the whole picture here. Hopefully some others will chime in here and offer their take.
The author of this blog gives an example

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/When%20is%20a%20high%20fat%20diet%20not%3F%20Bang% 20on%20time%20example
Ale Dileo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 04:01 PM   #6
Patrick Donnelly
Senior Member
 
Patrick Donnelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 720
Default

Could someone please explain to me why The Zone idolizes a combination of protein, carbs, and fat at every meal if it raises insulin resistance? I was under the impression that adding fat to carbs lowers the GI of the meal, therefore the insulin response and the insulin sensitivity you could build.
Patrick Donnelly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 05:25 PM   #7
Garrett Smith
Senior Member
 
Garrett Smith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 4,368
Default

Good post on that blog, Ale.

I think what's going on here is a "use it or lose it" phenomenon.

People who eat high carb diets (which according to that blog post, it was a diet high in processed starch and sugar) are rarely, if ever, switching over to fat metabolism. Thus those processes are not being used, so they likely either degrade or are downregulated. Once someone cuts out the carbs, those processes ramp back up, and we have the familiar fat loss that goes hand-in-hand with low carb (thus high fat and protein) diets.

Eades should have fun with that study if he sees it.
__________________
Garrett Smith NMD CSCS BS, aka "Dr. G"
RepairRecoverRestore.com - Blood, Saliva, and Stool Testing
My radio show - The Path to Strength and Health
Garrett Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2008, 07:25 PM   #8
Mike ODonnell
Senior Member
 
Mike ODonnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,596
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Donnelly View Post
Could someone please explain to me why The Zone idolizes a combination of protein, carbs, and fat at every meal if it raises insulin resistance? I was under the impression that adding fat to carbs lowers the GI of the meal, therefore the insulin response and the insulin sensitivity you could build.
The zone is a low calorie diet by nature, so you are not going to get fat on it. Not enough carbs per meal to raise insulin levels too high, plus protein will slow down the digestive process, the fat is also tacked on for calorie levels to not fall too low. Fat and Carbs ONLY is the WORST combination you could make and it will skyrocket your insulin and lead to insulin resistance. That study is just adding fat to an already terrible diet of sugars and processed carbs to see if fat can regulate the insulin response. That's like trying to bail out a sinking canoe with a giant hole in the bottom with a spoon....aint gonna happen...and the hole was the problem in the first place. (aka carbs and sugars are the primary issue)
__________________
Fitness Spotlight
The IF Life
Mike ODonnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2008, 07:20 PM   #9
Patrick Donnelly
Senior Member
 
Patrick Donnelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 720
Default

Good analogy, Mike.
Patrick Donnelly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2008, 10:12 AM   #10
Robb Wolf
Senior Member
 
Robb Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,444
Default

Garrett and MOD nailed it.
ALSO we see a phenomena that when folks go on a very low carb diet we may see a blunted glucose tollerance test in folks initially. They LOOK insulin resistant but are not as evidences by low triglycerides and decreased(ing) abdominal fat.
__________________
"Survival will be neither to the strongest of the species, nor to the most intelligent, but to those most adaptable to change."
C. Darwin

Robb's Blog
Robb Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:17 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Subscribe to our Newsletter


Receive emails with training tips, news updates, events info, sale notifications and more.
ASK GREG

Submit your question to be answered by Greg Everett in the Performance Menu or on the website

Submit Your Question
WEIGHTLIFTING TEAM

Catalyst Athletics is a USA Weightlifting team of competitive Olympic-style weightlifters with multiple national team medals.

Read More
Olympic Weightlifting Book
Catalyst Athletics
Contact Us
About
Help
Newsletter
Products & Services
Gym
Store
Seminars
Weightlifting Team
Performance Menu
Magazine Home
Subscriber Login
Issues
Articles
Workouts
About the Program
Workout Archives
Exercise Demos
Text Only
Instructional Content
Exercise Demos
Video Gallery
Free Articles
Free Recipes
Resources
Recommended Books & DVDs
Olympic Weightlifting Guide
Discussion Forum
Weight Conversion Calculator