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Old 03-14-2008, 10:55 AM   #11
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A few of my goals before I turn 40 is to do Linda (could be Helen, I forget my girls "three bars of death") with the correct weights and do Grace. Not a care to the time, just to get through the exercise itself. I'll have to think long and hard about Isabel.

Absolutely inspirational.

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I have the same goal. Fortunately or unfortunately whichever way you want to look at it I am lighter then you. Hopefully that helps me somehow.
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:56 AM   #12
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I have the same goal. Fortunately or unfortunately whichever way you want to look at it I am lighter then you. Hopefully that helps me somehow.
Funny, I also have a goal to be under 240 by the time I turn 40. Struggling these days. Good luck.


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arden
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Old 03-14-2008, 11:15 AM   #13
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Chess?
I give you...ChessBoxing. http://site.wcbo.org/content/index_en.html
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:03 PM   #14
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And the action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Wcbd0dJpQ
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:08 PM   #15
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yes i did do 30 reps of power snatch in 90 seconds.
I beleive my grace is in the upper 2min range. the sn is much faster as it is 1 motion. also because it only requires 1 jump/drive with the legs it has a lower cardio cost. There is a qulaifier to my time though... I beleive I was catching in a small split stance then begining to lower the wt as i was standing up, thus finishing about 2" or so short on each rep. It's a pretty suttle move but when tony budding asked me about it I went back and repped out some snatches for speed and i was indeed lowering the wt before reaching full extension of the hips. At any rate i have not repeated isobel but i have done sets of ten for time and i can do 10 reps in 20-21 sec. The time I did isobel I did 20 straight reps without dropping the wt in 45 sec. then it took me 45 sec to do the last 10 reps.. ibeive in 7 then 3 reps. they basically become muscle snatches as the nervous system and coordination disapear about rep 15.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:55 PM   #16
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That's awesome. I don't care if he did muscle clean it and didn't get full lock outs. Great work.
I think it's crazy that he did muscle cleans and still got that time, muscle cleans are "harder" and slower than power cleans. The fact that he strict pressed half the reps was pretty crazy too.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:59 PM   #17
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Do you think chess (gameplay) ability will ever make it into the definition of fitness?

Josh, based on what you're saying and Donny's time with no metcon or practice of that WOD, I'd say that based on your assessment of how Isabel progresses for you that getting your muscle (and power) snatches just plain stronger would really help with that last half. Or just getting an outrageously strong power snatch without worrying about the metcon "training" for Isabel at all (or very little). Some/many are saying DUH! to that last part, I get that.

The way I'm seeing it, gymnasts (without much metcon training) can come in and rock the bodyweight oriented WODs. WLers (without any metcon training) can come in and rock the OL-oriented WODs. By pushing one's training more towards absolute increased strength at gymnastics AND OL (separately), the respective WODs would get "easier" (because they are a smaller % of max), without having to use much training time at all on the "middle ground" metcons.

I guess the point I'm getting at is that I'm beginning to believe that more time devoted to strength (and obviously technique) training as opposed to the mixed metcons will likely have a quicker benefit overall to one's overall fitness.

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2-3 days/week pure OL and/or PL work
2-3 days/week pure gymnastics work focused on increased (relatively) low rep strength, like increased weighted push-ups/pull-ups/dips/etc.
*Maybe* 1 day of metcon where one doesn't "fry" themselves

This is as opposed to just grinding out metcon after metcon and hoping for improvement. Much like LSD cardio doesn't push the end capacity higher, I think the longer metcons, especially those that only use one modality don't force increased adaptation. I do realize that CF has incorporated more ME days into the rotation and I believe that is the right direction, for sure. What I'm wondering, and will be experimenting with, is if separating the modalities even more and simply focusing on absolute strength/power will have more benefits both short and long-term.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:34 PM   #18
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If training gymnastics and OL will improve those aspects of the WOD, won't running and rowing cover the remaining ground? I'm not talking LSD, but rather max effort 100m, 200m, 400m and 800m workouts (and the corresponding rowing distances).

But wait, doesn't segmented training build segmented capacity?
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using these sorts of things as a gauge of overall background fitness is interesting I guess. but at a certain point obsessing over benchmark metcon workouts is like fretting about how well you can do a card trick.

expending much thought at improving one's "sally" time or their "chuck" time seems like a waste of physical resources. unless of course you're on the chuck and sally olympic team.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:21 PM   #20
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Do you think chess (gameplay) ability will ever make it into the definition of fitness?
Nowadays with people just getting dumber and dumber....it might have to be!!

Workout of the day....3 rounds of running 400 meters, do Sudoku, 100 pushups/pullups, and find Waldo.....repeat.

I did some past adventure races where they throw these challenges in on purpose in the middle of the race....you have to figure out a puzzle...or a math problem....sometimes the answer is so simple but you are so stupid from being tired that you try the most difficult solution possible...and then realize you are a moron because after 5 minutes you realize the correct answer is that Moses did NOT have any animals on the Ark....or have an Ark for that matter....
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