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Old 04-16-2008, 04:52 PM   #11
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You drinking enough water?
About four liters a day - it's all I drink.

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Are you having a lot of carbs (from non-starchy veggies) at your meals?
I eat maybe 60-75g on the average day now, mostly from fruits, but with a fair amount of green veggies each day.

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IF is not the issue....but how many calories are you really trying to get in?
Fruits/Veggies: ~250 Cal
Meat/Eggs/Fish: ~850 Cal
Nut Butters/Nuts: ~1750 Cal
Olive Oil: ~1450 Cal

So, ~4300 5x a week, ~2850 Cal on days without olive oil. So, nothing too outrageous.

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Yeah, like most have said.. prioritize your goals here: weight gain or metcons.

A heavy dose of 1-3 RM compounds will flood your system with anabolic hormones and also make you much more hungry.

And also, it is possible to do this with upper body exercises only... if you switch to two a days. I did it with rings and it was crazy. 8 workouts per week as I'm sure you remember (my knee was hurt so couldn't do legs really).

Basically, IMO get the frequency up and the heavy weights. When you hit the point of overreaching go another day or two lifting and then take a break. Supercompensation will be extremely good.
I'll get back to you on AIM about this. Really, with my base strength/conditioning levels, I don't think I could go very far on a high-volume regimen without burning out.
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:33 AM   #12
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Some people really don't tolerate fruit/sugar with protein at meals well at all, this may be worth experimenting with.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:18 AM   #13
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How do I convince my body to let me feed it?
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Taubes talks about this in Good Calories, Bad Calories. Basically hunger and satiety are controlled primarily by the percentage of carbohydrates in the diet. If carbohydrates are high, people feel hungry no matter how much they eat(even up to 8000 calories in some studies). When carbs are low they feel full even on low calories (as low as 1000). If you can't stand the thought of eating, you might try replacing some of the oil with a couple yams or some other paleo starch.
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Old 04-18-2008, 01:47 PM   #14
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Some people really don't tolerate fruit/sugar with protein at meals well at all, this may be worth experimenting with.
I've never had an issue with it, and I'm not eating excessive amounts of fruit with each meal, so I don't think that's the problem.
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Patrick,
It doesn't necessarily take excessive amounts. The only way you will know is to do a couple of meals, however big, without any starchy or sugary carbs. Your stomach will tell you whether it thinks it is the problem or not. It is your experiment to do...or not!

Feeling bloated after meals was exactly why I got off of the Zone--I did non-starchy veggies and completed my carb blocks with dried fruit (because I had little room left) and I felt like a mess. No carbs with a meal, no problem, no matter how much I eat. FWIW.
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So you just eat your carbs separate from the meal? I'll give it a shot.
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Patrick,
It's worth a try.

I generally eat meat and veg unless I'm at a cheat meal. If I was trying to gain mass through high Cal intake, I know a carb & protein bomb (especially often) would ruin my guts.

Went to a family dinner tonight--to avoid problems there I actually took 6 pills of two different enzyme supplements. No worries afterwards, even after two servings of lemon cake for dessert on top of quite a bit of brisket and chicken!
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:02 PM   #18
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Patrick,

I had another idea for you...this one is a shocker so hold on to your hat......

If you want to gain musculkar BW without eating until you require a bucket, you might consider doing something that (eeek) bodybuilders routinely do.

Set your alarm for about 2AM or at least 6 hours form your last meal. get up, go quickly to the kitchen and eat a huyooge bowl of reheated oatmeal, with almonds and heavy cream. (paleo microwaving optional). Go back to bed. Your stomach won't be upset becuase you'll be in the throws of a significant food coma.

couple that with less metcon, many more squats and sensibly generous eating throughout the day...booyah. Your growing.

If this doesn't work I'll buy you your first cycle of dbol. kidding, drugs are bad mmmkay?
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:40 PM   #19
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There's no way I'm getting out of bed. I enjoy eating, but I love sleeping.

Re: Garrett
It actually did make a difference. I was able to eat all of my protein yesterday without feeling like I was going to burst. Do you have any explanation behind it?
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