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Old 04-21-2008, 02:03 PM   #1
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(Just cross posting this from the CF Forums at Jay's suggestion - please feel free to comment, critique or add support!)

Although I've never been really fat, I've always had a problem with weight, or rather, losing it. I'm a naturally pear-shaped woman - I store fat on my hips and thighs, and have a devil of a time losing it.

Recently I tried IF, and although I liked the convenience of it, it seemed to put my metabolism into shutdown. At the time I was around 148lbs at a height of 5'7, but instead of losing weight (and fat, because let's face it, we don't like losing muscle, do we?) I ended up 154lbs and miserable.

Given that I am off on holiday on the 31st May, and that all my trousers are now too tight, I'm starting to panic. So I thought I'd give the Velocity Diet a go. I'm one of those people who does better with extremes than moderation. I'm an all or nothing type of person - if I give myself strict rules, I'll stick to them, whereas if I try just to eat healthy, I end up eating a few too many brazil nuts and suddenly I've put on weight. And boy I can put on weight quickly.

I ordered some Lo-Carb Grow and Hot Rocks (or Rox, or whatever they are) and am starting today. The plan is to stick to shakes for two weeks, and then think about adding one solid meal of meat or fish and green veg a day.

My starting statistics are:

Height: 5'7 (not that this will change, mind...)
Weight: 11 stone (154lbs/70kg)
Chest: 36.5" (relaxed)
Waist: 28.5"
Hips: 40"
Right Upper Arm: 12.5"
Right Wrist: 6.5"
Right Thigh: 24.5"
Right Calf: 15"
Right Ankle: 8.5"

I'm starting with one Hot Rocks twice a day and if I tolerate that well I'll up it to two. I'm aiming for four shakes on non-training days and five on training days (though I may rethink this as I've had two shakes so far and the artificial sweetener is nasty, so I may only be able to stomach four). I won't be having the carb drink after training.
My one concession to sanity is that I will continue to drink my English tea with skim milk (I usually drink a couple of cups in the morning before work, and a couple in the evening - at work I drink green tea with no milk). If I gave up tea I would be miserable, and I'll be miserable enough giving up food, for heaven's sake. So the tea stays.

Wish me luck, because I'm going to need it.
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Old 04-21-2008, 03:24 PM   #2
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(Just cross posting this from the CF Forums at Jay's suggestion - please feel free to comment, critique or add support!)
Always supportive...but also going to add some of my $0.02

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Recently I tried IF, and although I liked the convenience of it, it seemed to put my metabolism into shutdown. At the time I was around 148lbs at a height of 5'7, but instead of losing weight (and fat, because let's face it, we don't like losing muscle, do we?) I ended up 154lbs and miserable.
Ok...so I have to ask...What did you eat all day? What was your IF schedule? What was your macronutrients of carbs/fat/protein per day? How many meals did you have? Short term fasting (IF) doesn't drop the metabolism...may drop body temp ...but eating all the wrong foods at the wrong time will easily pack on the lbs.


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I'm one of those people who does better with extremes than moderation. I'm an all or nothing type of person - if I give myself strict rules, I'll stick to them, whereas if I try just to eat healthy, I end up eating a few too many brazil nuts and suddenly I've put on weight. And boy I can put on weight quickly.
Ok...although the V-diet is very extreme....you will drop weight like crazy if you do only protein and veggies (no fruits, no carrots, no potatoes) with tons of water. Take some fish oil and have NO fats from nuts. You may not enjoy it...but you will lose weight. Add in a high cal day once every 7-10 days.

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My one concession to sanity is that I will continue to drink my English tea with skim milk (I usually drink a couple of cups in the morning before work, and a couple in the evening - at work I drink green tea with no milk). If I gave up tea I would be miserable, and I'll be miserable enough giving up food, for heaven's sake. So the tea stays.
DUMP the skim milk....that is an instant way to spike insulin and store fat. Keep the tea...if you have to have something, add a small amount of cream...skim milk is not what you want.
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Old 04-21-2008, 03:35 PM   #3
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Cal;

and you thought the CF crowd was tough.

BTW, you can thank me later.
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Old 04-21-2008, 03:45 PM   #4
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Hi Cal, all the best with your Velocity Diet! Am looking forward to more posts from you on this!
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Old 04-21-2008, 04:01 PM   #5
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Cal;

and you thought the CF crowd was tough.

BTW, you can thank me later.
Tough? Around here?...hard to believe!

If you haven't read this already, see if it helps. Fat Loss 101

The V-diet may give you temporary results....but it's not fixing the problem long term as you may go back to old bad patterns and gain the weight right back....eating whole foods are always my choice hands down esp if you are prone for relapses or just losing sanity and jumping into the nearest tubs of Ding Dongs.
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:01 AM   #6
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Regarding IFing, I initally dropped breakfast and tried to eat a late lunch and then an evening meal. Then I went out one day and couldn't get lunch and found it wasn't so bad, so tried a few weeks of just eating in the evenings. On weekends I'd eat throughout the day, to give myself a break.
What happened was I got very cold. My energy levels were OK, but my weight started climbing, and I think my body went into starvation mode and would decide to lay down anything I ate at weekends as fat. I know pear-shaped women are very good at fat storage - we're designed for it, which is fine for child bearing women in times of famine, but not for a working and working out woman in a modern world where lean hips and legs are idealised.

In the past I've found that I do best when I don't eat evenings. Back when I first worked as a games journalist, I loved my job so much I stayed late every night and didn't get a cooked meal. I was pretty unhealthy - the games industry in the early 90s was all about socialising and parties, and working long hours. I smoked and drank but I lost weight effortlessly.

I put myself on a diet a while ago where I ate normally during the day and subbed out my evening meal for a protein drink, and lost weight, but it wasn't much fun. I don't care for protein drinks much, so wouldn't want to stay on them for very long.

However, when I started IFing I realised evening fasting wouldn't be practical. I can't cook at work so I'd miss out on a cooked meal. Additionally, I train evenings (I have no choice - the gym isn't open early enough for me to work out before work) so I wouldn't get a post-training meal if I fasted then. I also can't eat a big meal before training or it'll come straight back up. I take ages to digest food. Typically I'll have a light lunch at 2.30pm and then train at 6.30pm and eat after.

My IF meals were usually some sort of meat/vegetable combo but I'd eat nuts and sometimes dried fruit for a snack later, or dessert. In hindsight, I probably ate too many and as my body had been starving all day, it just put them away for storage.

So, whilst I like the freedom of not having to lug food to work, I'm not sure IFing works particularly well for me, with my schedule. If I didn't work and could exercise in the morning, have lunch and an afternoon snack, and then fast in the evening, then maybe I'd do better (and with less nuts obviously, they're obviously my bogey food). However my life isn't like that so I'm trying something else for now.

Yes I realise this is a short term fix - as I said, I have a holiday coming up and although there won't be any beaches, it'll be a tour of amusment parks and some will involve waterparks. I don't want to be mistaken for Shamu and pushed back into the whale pen, thanks. (OK I'm not that big but women are always much fatter in their own minds...)

Mike - no chance me eating Ding Dongs. I don't really like junk. I do like luxury ice cream and gourmet chocolate from a proper chocolatier, but such things are pricey and thus occassional treats. Having said that, I'll have to make do with some lower quality fare on holiday as amusment parks aren't really known for their good Paleo choices. I'll not get bent out of shape about it, though - I'll just steer clear of the funnel cakes and try and make the best of what is there. I know last time I did a US coaster trip, I was desperate for broccoli by the end of it, so I'm confident I can get back to healthy eating once I'm home.

Also, re: the tea - I only like skimmed milk. It's all I've had since I was 16 and even semi-skimmed smells and tastes disgusting to me now. Cream is a non starter! I just have a splash in black tea - I can't think that it's that big a deal, honestly. I've been drinking tea with milk since childhood so my body is pretty much used to it. If I cut it out I won't be able to maintain the diet for long (I know because I've eliminated tea on various detox diets I've done and I can only ever hack those for a day or two) so it's a chance I'll take, though I will take your comments into consideration.

Right, Day 2! I'm at the gym this evening so I will do at least four shakes today. I was planning on doing four on rest days and five on workout days, but I only managed 3 yesterday. They are very filling and not especially appetising.

As I've said on the V-Diet thread, I feel a lot hotter and am not sure if this is the weather or the Hot Rox. I'm taking one twice a day to start. I slept terribly badly (despite a 9 hour gap between my second Hot Rox and bedtime) though I'm not sure if the supplement was to blame. My body temp definitely feels a lot higher than normal though as I tend to run cold most of the time (uncomfortably so when I was IFing). Even when I wasn't IFing I had cold extremities and got to the point I was worried I had Raynauds as my fingers would tingle sometimes. Today my hands feel quite hot.
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I don't care for protein drinks much, so wouldn't want to stay on them for very long.
Ok you do know what the V-diet is right? Just checking.

As for all the other stuff, yes I would say that eating once a day is a bad way to go 100% of the time...and that you probably were very low on calories. Most people successful on IF have several meals over a timeframe of 8 or so hours. Also it's not about starving yourself, as you do need calories. Being cold is a sign of hypothyroidism which is going to happen in fasting and under calorie situations.

I understand the training at night thing....what kind of training are you doing? I wouldn't sweat the whole pwo meal importance if weight loss is your goal, a standard small paleo meal would do just fine. Things like dried fruit should be avoided as that is just concentrated sugar.

All in all, good luck with whatever path you decide to choose and always feel free to ask any questions along the way.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:50 AM   #8
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Hee hee, yes. I look at this as a protein fast, which is essentially what it is. The shakes aren't particularly nice (they actually taste sort of OK, but it's the aftertaste I dislike) but I'll stick with them as it gives me a break from food, which I think will do me so good. I can obsess over food easily - I have a past of disordered eating (particularly my teens and 20s...less so my more sensible 30s) so any diet which requires a lot of thinking, weighing, measuring or counting grams and calories is not going to be a good thing for me mentally. V-Diet is simple, brutal and, hopefully, effective, so it's what I need right now. Once I stop, and also return from my holiday, then I'll go back to a mainly hunter-gatherer diet, which I think is likely the healthiest thing for me.

Exercise-wise, I have been doing mainly CF-style training. I started just over a year ago and followed the WODs quite slavishly, but then broke down and burned out. I have a few old injuries from my past and I also overtrain quite easily and the 3 on 1 off schedule was too much. I got sick a lot (in fact my immune system is still recovering - had my bloods done recently and the white cell count is still a bit lower than it should be, though I feel a lot better now). I was working mainly on strength just before Christmas, then got bronchitis and lost some ground. I'm working my way back now but want to add in more metcons again to burn fat. I also do some running, because I enjoy it (though I'm definitely a plodder). I run outdoors in nice surroundings and I find it meditative. This is usually once or twice a week, typically 3-4 miles, occassionally 6 miles (I actually have my first 10k race on Sunday) - my knees start to complain if I run too far or too often, and I'm conscious I don't want to put myself into a catabolic state. Sometimes I will run intervals or do hill sprints, though.
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:58 PM   #9
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Today, I choked down four shakes (2 scoops each), 2 Hot Rox and 5 fish oil caps.
I felt the need to do some metcon so workout was:

1000m row
5 rounds of:
20 OHS with a 5kg body bar
20 press-ups
20 leg raises
1000m row

Got pretty hot doing that. The weather has got warmer, it's not just me...though I think the Hot Rox have boosted my temperature a bit. My hands are normally cold (unless it's actually hot outside) but since starting this I've been almost uncomfortably warm all day.
After last night's poor sleep I'm very tired now and heading to bed....
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:46 PM   #10
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Are you doing the flax, natural nut butter and fiber tablets as well?
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