Home   |   Contact   |   Help

Get Our Newsletter
Sign up for our free newsletter to get training tips and stay up to date on Catalyst Athletics, and get a FREE issue of the Performance Menu journal.

Go Back   Catalyst Athletics Forums > Training > Combat Sports

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-07-2008, 11:34 AM   #1
Dave Paton
Member
 
Dave Paton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 167
Default Mma Q & A

I was watching Inside MMA on HD Net last week (great show by the way) and the question was posed to Bas Rutten and a couple of other fighters:

(paraphrasing)

Which discipline/background should a fighter be most proficient at to be successful as a fighter?

1. BJJ
2. Wrestling
3. Boxing

All of the panel agreed that wrestling is the most important.
Dave Paton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2008, 11:37 AM   #2
Mike ODonnell
Senior Member
 
Mike ODonnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,596
Default

Not getting hit
__________________
Fitness Spotlight
The IF Life
Mike ODonnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2008, 12:08 PM   #3
Derek Simonds
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Deland, FL
Posts: 4,231
Default

I have seen that same question posed many times. Always good for an online argument . I train MMA at a BJJ gym. Lots of the techniques we use are derivatives of wrestling. I can tell you that guys who come to BJJ or MMA from a wrestling background are pretty far ahead of guys who come out of a TMA.

One skill that I know I want to improve is takedowns. I was training with a blue belt on Monday night and he said man if we have to start standing I just don't really know what to do.
__________________
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe, is in the end, of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do. -John Ruskin

http://westvolusiawellness.com/
Derek Simonds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 09:37 AM   #4
Gant Grimes
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,373
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Simonds View Post
One skill that I know I want to improve is takedowns. I was training with a blue belt on Monday night and he said man if we have to start standing I just don't really know what to do.
We have a few BJJ and sport JJ players in our judo club. It helpes their standup game immensely, andwe learn their techniques and improve our mat skills. Proficiency in all phases make you a better player, even if you spend most of your time up or down.

I agree 100% that wrestling is the best preparation for MMA. It covers all phases, from standup to submission, and the good ones are already knowledgable about training, nutrition, and intensity. It's a great foundation.
__________________
"It should be more like birthday party than physics class." | Log | 70's Big
Gant Grimes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 10:27 AM   #5
Eric Kerr
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 39
Default

One thing about wrestling is many of its rules are designed to prevent injuring the other athelete.

So you have to unlearn a few things on top of learning things like defending against chokes and various other submission holds.

The punching and kicking is a little easier to deal with because its just a matter of either avoidance or using them as entry points for getting up close and personal where a wrestler really wants to be working.
Eric Kerr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 10:44 AM   #6
Derek Simonds
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Deland, FL
Posts: 4,231
Default

My 8 year old wants to start wrestling and my biggest concern is him forgetting the rules and slapping someone in a choke or an armbar.
__________________
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe, is in the end, of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do. -John Ruskin

http://westvolusiawellness.com/
Derek Simonds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 10:56 AM   #7
Gant Grimes
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,373
Default

Is he already learning those things?
__________________
"It should be more like birthday party than physics class." | Log | 70's Big
Gant Grimes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 02:25 PM   #8
Derek Simonds
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Deland, FL
Posts: 4,231
Default

Yup. He wants to train at the academy but it is difficult to schedule with gymnastics so he comes with me when I take privates and when he is free on the weekends. He always wants me to show him moves and we roll around a lot at home. He is really quick to pick up movements. He wanted to learn some takedowns (really long story) so we worked on takedowns one afternoon. Now the little buggars takedowns are better than mine.

Since it is hard for my wife to get him to the academy he asked if he could do the wrestling program that is taught close to our house. The wrestling program is an AAU program and it is one night a week for a couple of hours. It is taught by a high school wrestler and his dad at the local high school. We know a family whose son participates so we are going to a practice to check it out.
__________________
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe, is in the end, of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do. -John Ruskin

http://westvolusiawellness.com/
Derek Simonds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 06:41 PM   #9
Allen Yeh
Senior Member
 
Allen Yeh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 4,245
Default

I wish I'd picked up wrestling a lot earlier than I did.

A friend in college wrestled all throughout jr HS and HS and gained 50 pounds in college from a lot of lifting. After college he tried some BJJ and was kicking ass, I think he's won a couple of Pan Am's in his rank pretty handily.

I think starting Jr. out at wrestling at that age is great. 2 things to be careful of, don't become THAT parent. I recall reffing a jr's tournament in college and man those parents were AGGRESSIVE. The other thing would be burning out, a lot of the guys I wrestled in college with were more than good enough to be on the team but had lost the drive.
__________________
"And for crying out loud. Don't go into the pain cave. I can't stress this enough. Your Totem Animal won't be in there to help you. You'll be on your own. The Pain Cave is for cowards.
Pain is your companion, don't go hide from it."
-Kelly Starrett

Last edited by Allen Yeh : 05-09-2008 at 03:49 AM.
Allen Yeh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2008, 10:31 PM   #10
Anton Emery
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 145
Default

After starting BJJ i always wished i wrestled in high school. People with a wrestling background that come into my BJJ school always have great body awareness, conditioning, and takedowns. Even if i can catch them in subs give them a few months and its quite a different story. I think for a base art wrestling would be hard to beat.


Anton
Anton Emery is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Subscribe to our Newsletter


Receive emails with training tips, news updates, events info, sale notifications and more.
ASK GREG

Submit your question to be answered by Greg Everett in the Performance Menu or on the website

Submit Your Question
WEIGHTLIFTING TEAM

Catalyst Athletics is a USA Weightlifting team of competitive Olympic-style weightlifters with multiple national team medals.

Read More
Olympic Weightlifting Book
Catalyst Athletics
Contact Us
About
Help
Newsletter
Products & Services
Gym
Store
Seminars
Weightlifting Team
Performance Menu
Magazine Home
Subscriber Login
Issues
Articles
Workouts
About the Program
Workout Archives
Exercise Demos
Text Only
Instructional Content
Exercise Demos
Video Gallery
Free Articles
Free Recipes
Resources
Recommended Books & DVDs
Olympic Weightlifting Guide
Discussion Forum
Weight Conversion Calculator