June Poliquin Question of Strength @ T-Nation

[Dave Van Skike]

What Derek Said...

genius...Oh really?

Two things.

Re: the protein and size question....185# at 6' is tiny... itty.. bitty...skinnnnney in most strength sports....5'10" at 231 is decently medium.. Personally, my leverages and the abilty to recover get exponentially better at something north of 15% bodyfat.

I won't comment on the cardio thing....just that dogma is tired....

[Derek Weaver]

Precisely what I was saying Mike. Diminishing returns, I would assume, would be reached quite quickly once at the elite level. It may be one thing for a junior level player who's this close to put on quite a bit of functional mass, but I have to believe that your typical professional level athlete is already at a point where he will want to train to increase his athleticism and skill, not his "most muscular pose".

Also, whatever happened to the idea that high fat diets have nitrogen sparing effects? In theory, shouldn't an athlete who is eating enough carbs to sustain activity, with lots of fat to make up caloric balance be fine with less than two grams/pound of protein?

I'm undecided on the overhead squats still.

[Greg Everett]

2g/lb/day is nothing. I know of one Poliquin coach (Ito Portal in Israel) who recommends 3g. That is the gnarliest thing to try to do ever. But he swears by it. Along with high dose BCAAs and colostrum. I'd be doing 660g/day. And I'd probably be shitting my guts out.

[Jordan Glasser]

in regards to the higher protein intake, sounds like it's coming from a mass gain standpoint. How does that relate to performance/fitness levelss? I can see it's merits in weightlifting, but, wouldn't it negatively effect metabolic conditioning/energy levels?

[Garrett Smith]

All I know is that drinking multiple protein shakes a day would negatively impact my quality of life levels...I could not bring myself to be stuffed with food all day long anymore now that I'm comfortable with an IF plan...

3g/lb is whacky. Hope they're independently wealthy and have a killer source of digestive enzyme supplements!

[Mike ODonnell]

3g/lb? That's some expensive peeing going on.....

[Gant Grimes]

Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell

3g/lb? That's some expensive peeing going on.....

That's R. Kelly expensive.

[Garrett Smith]

I'd rather do an IV drip of aminos than force-feed shakes...that gets $expensive$ pretty quick too...

[Peter Dell'Orto]

I don't think I could afford 3g/lb. I do eat 1.5g a pound pretty easily, I do it every day, and I can reach 2.0g a day with some planning and effort. But 3g a day is too much for me...I just can't buy that much protein-rich food. I could easily eat it though.

[Mike ODonnell]

Originally Posted by Gant Grimes

That's R. Kelly expensive.

Completely off topic...but heard a joke..."Gas is getting so expensive that Rap artists are now drinking it".....ok back to the thread....