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Old 08-15-2008, 12:52 PM   #1
Jeremy Shepard
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Default Importance of Workout Nutrition w/ the quick lifts

I've long held that supplements aren't needed around training as long as decent meals are had before and after. But, I've always been on the sidelines, using exercise to enhance my life and health. Now, I've gotten the bug and want to be able to compete and hold my own.

Has anyone found significant benefit from the bells and whistles during/around training?

For example, Univeral Torrent:
Amount Per Serving % DV

Calories 302
Calories From Fat 14
Total Fat 1.5g 9%*
Saturated Fat 1g 6%
Total Carbohydrate 52g 17%
Sugars 26g **
Protein 20g 40%
Calcium 112mg 11%
Sodium 127mg 5%
Potassium 192mg 6%

Torrent Proprietary Blend 18,000mg **
Anti-Catabolic Leucine Complex 8000mg **
L-Leucine **
Leucine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AKG) **
Leucine Ethyl Ester **
N-Acetyl Leucine **

Volubolic Amino Blend 7000mg **
Taurine **
Glutamine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AKG) **
L-Phenylalanine **
Citulline Malate **

Creabolic Complex 3000mg **
Creatine Monohydrate **
Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE) **
Magnesium Creatine Chelate™ (MCC) **
Tri-Methyl Glycine (TMG) **

Other Ingredients
Osmosulin Matrix™(D-Glucose, Waxy Maize, Maltodextrin), Partially Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Concentrate(Milk)(Providing Di-, Tri-, Oligo-, And Polypeptides), Malic Acid, Artificial Flavor, Citric Acid, Sodium Chloride, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Phosphate, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1
I just chose this one since the price is reasonable for the ingredients. Using a serving before and serving after training, that gives 40g protein, 104g carbs, little fat, and the cell volumizers, creatine, leucine, etc.

My main question is the carbs. Since glycogen isn't used much in weightlifting, has anyone found a benefit by having more around training days (assuming a low-carb diet with minimal carbs at all other meals)?
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Old 08-16-2008, 09:38 AM   #2
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My main question about that product would be the artificial sweeteners and flavors.

Waxy maize is a new one, even for me...
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Old 08-16-2008, 10:07 AM   #3
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Waxy maize is the new golden child in the bodybuilding community. It could just as easily be dextrose or something similar. I'm not terribly interested in that product vs. any other type of liquid nutrition, it was just an example.

I just found and purchased Greg's "Weightlifting Nutrition" article, so I should have checked that out before posting this topic.
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Old 09-10-2008, 12:52 PM   #4
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Hey, new poster here, but I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in...

As far as supplements go, I'm always very skeptical, but also very curious. I've tried a lot of stuff after it has gone on the discount table due to an upcoming expiration date or sale or something. I always use the basics like multi-vitamin, fish oil, digestive enzymes, and probiotics. In the evening I like my ZMA and Glutamine (They both just seem to help me wake up feeling less sore).

Recently, I just started CrossFit and I also run a good amount to prepare for Navy OCS. Therefore, I began playing around with some "endurance" supplements. I started with a product called Xtend, and felt it helped. I would say that I can run about 10-15% harder/longer when I'm using this. It is basically just BCAA's, glutamine, and citrulline malate. I don't know which of those 3 is actually working, but have since bulk ordered all 3 ingredients, and now concoct my own mixture with no flavor or filler. I suspect the BCAA's are the most helpful.

Another new one I've tried is beta-Alanine. This feels like it's doing something (my body tingles) and I've noticed some endurance benefits when I take 2-3 g preworkout.

Seeing as I won't have access to these at OCS though, I'll probably ween myself off.

You should probably start with BCAA's, as they are the most proven.

Most preworkout drinks contain caffeine and other mental focusers, which I enjoy, but probably aren't the healthiest.

Hopefully you don't waste as much money as I have through the years


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Old 09-11-2008, 05:37 AM   #5
Tony Ferous
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I always used to en enticed by all those funky sounding 'nutrients'...i agree with Daniel, stick with the basics if youre gonna do anything.

Anything with that much sugar makes me think they are ripping me off, you can buy glucose etc for a few cents so they are beign deceptive, making you think they are buying a huge bucket of magic. Why not just give me the funky stuff with no sugar, sweeteners, colors etc, if im man enough and it works ill choke it down!
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