recovery in the clean

[David Tieu]

having a serious problem on the c&j's
i have been blacking out during the recovery in the clean relatively frequently as of recent. been keeping me from putting up max weights.
i do not believe it's a problem of the bar crashing down on me- no one has observed it happen. what else could be the problem? my breathing technique?
i will post a video here when i get a chance, if that is helpful

[James Withington]

Whereabouts in the recovery do you blackout?

The intra-abdominal pressure caused from the Valsalva maneuver in heavy lifting can temporarily restrict blood flow to the brain. Try letting out a little of your breath near the top on the way up to relieve the pressure slightly. Obviously don't let out a large amount of air as you still need plenty of pressure in there, just let a little bit of air exhale while maintaining pressure.

[Xuan Mai Ho]

David,

I posted a similiar question here:
http://www.performancemenu.com/forum...1966#post31966

Scroll down and take a look at Greg's advice.

[Arden Cogar Jr.]

Originally Posted by James Withington

Whereabouts in the recovery do you blackout?

The intra-abdominal pressure caused from the Valsalva maneuver in heavy lifting can temporarily restrict blood flow to the brain. Try letting out a little of your breath near the top on the way up to relieve the pressure slightly. Obviously don't let out a large amount of air as you still need plenty of pressure in there, just let a little bit of air exhale while maintaining pressure.

I would say this is the answer.

I stimulated the valsava nerve, or whatever it is, when a fish oil pill sorta got stuck, or felt like it got stuck. I went down like a tree in the middle of our kitchen. Scared my wife and eldest daughter to death. Ended up with a nice concussion too.

Serious stuff that needs corrected if it can be done. There's a video of a young lifter doing a clean at a comp who once he recieves the weight and stands up with, simply falls over backward unconscious.

Good luck. I wish you the best in dealing with this as it's no easy issue.

All the best,
ARden

[Yuen Sohn]

What everyone else said.

Plus if you haven't done so in a while, I'd also suggest a doctor's visit to rule anything else out. Just to be safe.

Finally, get to LBH more often. We need more over bodyweight snatchers who lift in super stylin' dress shoes.

[David Tieu]

hmmm. i breathe out during the entire recovery till the point where i have no breath left at the top. i guess that's the problem. somebody tell me elsewise

[Greg Everett]

Blackout is from carotid pressure, not lack of air.

Lift your shoulders in the rack position as well as pushing them forward, and flatten your c-spine to pull your neck back away from the bar.