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Old 12-28-2008, 05:29 PM   #21
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I recently started taking pretty large doses of Blue Ice High Vitamin CLO, in order to get a decent winter dose (3,000 IU) of Vitamin D. This meant 30,000 IU of Vitamin A. I started getting Vitamin A toxicity symptoms. Awful molting of my lips (chapped is too mild a term for what I was getting) and itchy patches of skin (around my pits). I went home for Christmas, not taking my CLO with me and the symptoms receded. The plan is to cut down on the CLO to 1,000/10,000 IU of A/D and supplement with some Vitamin D drops.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:38 PM   #22
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The plan is to cut down on the CLO to 1,000/10,000 IU of A/D and supplement with some Vitamin D drops.
You can get Now Foods, Vitamin D-3, 2000 IU, 120 Softgels for around $5 a bottle if you look around online.
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:04 AM   #23
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Dr G, what dose of the Blue Ice Gold Therapuetics are you recommending to your patients now? Do any of your patients still use the Carlsons brand of CLO?
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:39 AM   #24
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Michael,
Some still use Carlson's.

I'm revising my standard Green Pastures recommendation to 1 capsule (or mL of liquid) per day plus 2400 mg EPA+DHA from fish oil plus enough supplemental vitamin D to get 2000iu per day total. The D could go up based on testing, but that's where it starts.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:18 PM   #25
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WAP doesn't recommend the massive amounts of CLO that people take; I believe they recommend anywhere from 1 tsp to 1 tbsp/day.

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Vitamin A is fat soluble. Some folks swig this stuff like it's a cordial. How many swigs a day till it's toxic? If you're trying to get the 4-6000 IU of D per day that some experts are recommending, you'll get around 1000% of your Vitamin A if you're trying to get all that D from Cod Liver Oil.

WAP thinks this is safe? OK, it's a free country, but I'm not trying that experiment with my body.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:38 PM   #26
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http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...-oil-menu.html
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Children age 3 months to 12 years: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 5000 IU vitamin A daily
Children over 12 years and adults: A maintenance dose of cod liver oil that provides about 10,000 IU vitamin A daily
Pregnant and nursing women: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 20,000 IU vitamin A daily
1 mL or 1 capsule of Green Pastures Blue Ice Gold Therapeutics has 5000 A / 500 D. I don't remember the values in their "straight" CLO.

Chris, thanks for sharing. It's exactly your experience that needs to be heard. Even Green Pastures' products A/D ratio doesn't remove all risk of hypervitaminosis A. This is what I was concerned about when I read Mercola's and the Vitamin D Council's newsletters.

I had a roommate in college who got vitamin A toxicity from *carrots*. Sure, he ate a ton of them one night and he also had very strange liver metabolism (very tolerant of alcohol, immune to morphine). The doctors at the Student Health Center paraded him around for all to see, as they see it so rarely (if at all). So much for poor or non-existent (as some have claimed) conversion of carotenoids to Vitamin A!
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:27 PM   #27
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1 mL or 1 capsule of Green Pastures Blue Ice Gold Therapeutics has 5000 A / 500 D. I don't remember the values in their "straight" CLO.
Ok so I have the straight CLO from Blue Ice. The bottle reads (per 2 capsules) 5000IU/Vit A
500IU Vit D.
EPA 150 mg
DHA 100mg

What does should I be using?
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Old 12-30-2008, 10:16 PM   #28
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Sarena take two caps and then some additional fish oil too.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:40 AM   #29
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Sarena,
I'd go with what Yael said. I add 2400mg of EPA+DHA daily plus 2000iu more of D3.
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Old 12-31-2008, 06:16 AM   #30
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OK thanx guys, thats what I have been doing, espec now in winter. I have been dosing as 2 CLO (Blue Ice Brand) and 2 fish oils that I have from you Dr. G!
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