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Old 02-24-2009, 05:18 PM   #11
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I have a personal dislike for the V-diet....as with anything promoting "quick and easy results"....promotes all the wrong ideas on what weight loss should be....nothing to do with realistic lifestyle changes that last.
I'm fairly certain that the V-Diet doesn't make any claims of being "easy." Quick yes, easy no. Also, I figure that most people who have the willpower to put themselves through it also realize that when the four weeks are up, they've got to stick to a pretty strict diet to maintain it. Your average Krispy Kremer isn't even going to make it to the end of reading the V-Diet, let alone doing it.
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Old 02-24-2009, 08:13 PM   #12
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I'm fairly certain that the V-Diet doesn't make any claims of being "easy." Quick yes, easy no. Also, I figure that most people who have the willpower to put themselves through it also realize that when the four weeks are up, they've got to stick to a pretty strict diet to maintain it. Your average Krispy Kremer isn't even going to make it to the end of reading the V-Diet, let alone doing it.
No it's not easy....and for that reason I wonder what the % of binge-eating rebound occurs when they switch back to normal food.....that's the real danger. If it makes better habbits and keeps the weight off....it works.......otherwise it could do more harm than good with people who don't control their eating coming off it.
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I bet a lot of people will buy the supps and never finish (or even start) the diet, just like people join gyms in the New Year and never go.

This will likely be evidenced by the VD 4.0 (new, improved, more super-special supplements that you can't diet without!) coming out in 6-12 months to sucker in a whole new group of consumers...
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:12 PM   #14
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No it's not easy....and for that reason I wonder what the % of binge-eating rebound occurs when they switch back to normal food.....that's the real danger. If it makes better habbits and keeps the weight off....it works.......otherwise it could do more harm than good with people who don't control their eating coming off it.
This is exactly the point of the diet. To instill lifestyle changes and help facilitate a change in one's relationship with food. In effect, to help break the hedonism.

Lyle's article after the New Year on Rapid Fat Loss made note that extreme diets in the beginning can help one stick to a more moderate diet afterwards.

Of course, we all know of plenty of people who went extreme and then rebounded... it's a plague on the U.S. dieting public....
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Old 02-25-2009, 05:21 AM   #15
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Put simply, I couldn't/wouldn't be able to do 35 shakes in a row before I finally got to eat real food.

Also, let's not forget, one of the intentions of the VD is to create a pattern (addiction?) of one shake a day for good.

Why do I think that people get sick like Gittit said within a couple week of starting from all the sucralose and other artificial stuff in the Biotest supps?
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FWIW... I wasn't using Biotest stuff and no thermogenics, even cut the coffee down to 2x/week. I used whey sweetened with acuselfume-K, flax seeds, fish oil, and cinnamon, that's it. Whatever, it might also be what's missing from the diet rather than what's in it.

The first time I did it, I got dizzy/faint spells after 3 weeks and rebounded to the tune of 30lbs. The second time I got mono.

I actually thought it was the easiest thing to do. I was never hungry and the shakes tasted better than dry chicken breast and cabbage. No cooking, no hassle, no calorie counting. I suppose it might be all right as an experiment if you have no history of eating disorders, enough fat to lose and a bulletproof immune system, and are rational enough to heed warning signs and stop if you need to.
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This is exactly the point of the diet. To instill lifestyle changes and help facilitate a change in one's relationship with food. In effect, to help break the hedonism.

Lyle's article after the New Year on Rapid Fat Loss made note that extreme diets in the beginning can help one stick to a more moderate diet afterwards.

Of course, we all know of plenty of people who went extreme and then rebounded... it's a plague on the U.S. dieting public....
I didn't look at all the details of the new version....but does it transition to at least moving into whole foods towards the end of the diet? I don't think drinking shakes all day is going to instill anything but a dependence on shakes. People are so OCD and extreme nowadays....so they will starve themselves until they get sick or just quit and dive face first into a bakery window....slow and steady has always worked...but then again, it doesn't sell very well.
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I didn't look at all the details of the new version....but does it transition to at least moving into whole foods towards the end of the diet?
There's a reintroduction section in the new version: start by adding a solid meal every day, gradually add more solid meals, etc.
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The transition phase has been there for a while. Along with the Healthy Solid Meal. The V-Diet isn't the only diet like this.

A couple of people who I work with just got done with a 16 week plan (you read that right, 16 weeks, liquid). On week 17 they got to reintroduce food (all paleo choices as it turns out, though they don't know it by the term) and have noted that meat and veggies is more satisfying than they could imagine. They've said sweets would make them sick and send them into a tailspin.

Their plan is expensive, but it comes with follow up consultations to ensure long term adherence and success.

The V-Diet is mild by several other standards.
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The V-diet is Slimfast for the bodybuilders. Slimfast has been doing this for years....Shake for breakfast, shake for lunch, then a healthy dinner...sound familiar?
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