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Old 04-06-2009, 05:13 PM   #11
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Kevin, same thing for me. Any Mg close to bed time keeps me awake. If you're finishing your milk at 5pm the Ca shouldn't be an issue. Some people seem to respond like this.
So Allen, you said after a few days it went away? Hmmm. So maybe one could deal with a couple poor nights sleep in a row as a trade off for better rest down the line? I am curious to see if you start to sleep better on it Kevin.
For me it did, after almost a ~5 days. Around 3 days I was looking into dropping the zma or other alternatives by the time I thought about buying what Shaf mentioned here:

http://www.performancemenu.com/forum...read.php?t=480

I was over it by weeks end. I've been taking ZMA pretty consistently now for a while now with no sleeplessness problems.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:53 PM   #12
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George, FYI, valerian is well-known for causing wacky (typically somewhat violent/evil) dreams all by itself...
I actually enjoy them, in fact the stress relief provided by having absolutely super-lucid dreams (as I already was a lucid dreamer) and acting out scenarios in the sub-conscious has led my conscious to be much more laid back while I'm awake.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:58 PM   #13
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valerian eh? hmmmm.....


Well we will see how tonight is.. I did not drink any milk today
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:27 AM   #14
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valerian eh? hmmmm.....


Well we will see how tonight is.. I did not drink any milk today
Valerian is a funny thing, it puts humans to sleep, and its like PCP for cats.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:13 AM   #15
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I actually enjoy them, in fact the stress relief provided by having absolutely super-lucid dreams (as I already was a lucid dreamer) and acting out scenarios in the sub-conscious has led my conscious to be much more laid back while I'm awake.
Wow, I thought I was the only one
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:36 AM   #16
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Has anyone ever tried this: http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includ...s/blue/z12.jsp

I find that ZMA doesn't really help me either so I was considering this as an alternative.
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