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Old 05-23-2009, 05:31 AM   #11
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One wonders what the pros/cons of using bars vs. rings might be, aside from ergonomics for those with shoulder troubles.
I actually rather do dips on rings than bars, most out there are way too wide and since you can like Steven said adjust width with rings rather than a bar, they have that going for them as well.
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Old 05-23-2009, 06:34 AM   #12
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I prefer them on bars for weighted, just because I can handle more weight that way.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:28 AM   #13
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Rings is pretty much almost always better for strength to say the least. Plus, probably better ergonomically as you mentioned.

Although the stabilization effect on rings goes away at heavy weight as I mentioned. My weighted ring dip is +155 lbs while only +170 on bars. Not much of a difference (and that was with an extra ~5-6 week cycle for the ones on bars).
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:07 PM   #14
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My training buddy just complained during our gymnastics workout today that his A/C joint was bothering him ever since he did weighted (bar) dips the other day.

I believe that for those who have trouble maintaining any semblance of scapular depression in general during dips (or don't know to not let their shoulders go up into their ears as soon as they break the elbows to descend), that weighted dips really invite issues in the A/C joint.
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Old 05-24-2009, 04:32 AM   #15
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So im one of those that didnt know that the shoulder should not come into the ears during dips, but thats because I tried them with my scapula depressed and it hurt the ride side of my neck for a couple days. So now I've been intentionally not depressing my scap...is this wrong, even though the right way causes me some pain?
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Old 05-24-2009, 05:48 AM   #16
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Chris,
I don't think the scapula have to stay fully depressed the whole time, but if the shoulders are allowed to sag all the way up to the ears, the strain is mainly being supported by tendons & ligaments at that point (like the A/C joint).

Somewhere in between is probably best, not at the far end of either ROM.
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:52 AM   #17
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Keep them "mostly" down.

Watch one of my weighted dip vids... you'll see.

My R AC joint has some laxity so I know if I'm doing stuff wrong cause it will probably start hurting which sucks.
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Old 07-14-2009, 06:49 AM   #18
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One wonders what the pros/cons of using bars vs. rings might be, aside from ergonomics for those with shoulder troubles.
Ring dips train better proprioceptive awareness than bar dips. Rings also force the lats and trapezius to contract hard. Fatigue on the rings overshadows fatigue on parallel bars. It's like the difference between pushups and burpees. They both employ the same motion, but more muscles are utilized per rep on the latter. I actually gained a surprising amount of trapezius mass and cardiovascular endurance from ring dips.

To answer the thread, I used to dip 10 reps of 55 pounds on parallel bars just goofing around and never had shoulder issues, however I did notice occasional impingement if I descended at a bad angle. Doing ring dips, I've had no problem because I can adjust my grip to suit my joints. Personally, I find added weight unnecessary when leverage can be manipulated. I usually use bulgarian dips to add intensity.

Ultimately, every athlete should decide for themselves what works best to achieve their goals. Happy training.
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