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Old 11-14-2009, 11:20 AM   #21
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Of course they're junk...

CF has moved more towards barbell work and away from any gymnastics roots it had. They only "gymnastics" things is has are bastardized forms of pushups, pullups, rings dips, muscle ups, and handstand pushups.

Personally, I wouldn't even count pushups,pullups and dips either -- they should be components of any good program regardless of whether it's "gymnastics" or not.
Steven, I tend to agree with your analysis except for one thing. What's your knock on Pushups?? It is hard to compromise pushup form. There are different ways to scale a pushup but a basic pushup is generally universal...
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:08 PM   #22
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Brian,

There was a video of a "kipping pushup" there a while ago on crossfit..
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:12 PM   #23
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Steven, I tend to agree with your analysis except for one thing. What's your knock on Pushups?? It is hard to compromise pushup form. There are different ways to scale a pushup but a basic pushup is generally universal...
Anyone who trains strength can knock out a set of 40-50 pretty easily. Same with dips when you get to a higher level of strength. Pullups around 20-30. You don't need to train them specifically to be good at them.
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:47 PM   #24
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Speaking of the kipping push-up and the brouhaha over that one...

If one can justify the butterfly kip (or any kip for that matter, but particularly the one-trick-pony butterfly kip) as being of value, IMO, they cannot then attack kipping push-ups, whether horizontal or vertical. It is completely hypocritical. They are intended to accomplish the same thing, more work done in less time.

I don't do any kipping anything anymore, as it doesn't help me reach my gymnastic goals, but for CFers to argue with each other over a kip being okay on a pull-up but not on a push-up...well...
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:22 PM   #25
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There was a video of a "kipping pushup" there a while ago on crossfit..
I thought this was a joke. Then I googled it. Wow.
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I thought this was a joke. Then I googled it. Wow.
You're behind the times man.
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:54 PM   #27
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You're behind the times man.
I'm trying to stay that way with regard to certain areas.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:07 PM   #28
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Interesting anecdote on these lines. My roomate and training partner tyson is a genetic freak trains intermittently without focus mostly parkour skill work is muscled like a freak and ridiculously strong. Not particularly good at handstands doesn't work on them so lacks balance but can knock out about five nose to the ground handstand push ups, I had him do press the other day for fun first time he has ever trained the movement he hit 185 at a bodyweight of 162.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:34 AM   #29
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I always thought it was funny to see elite crossfitters doing their handstand push ups against a wall, with a wide hand stance, tapping their fully extended heads to the ground. It results in like a 6 inch ROM.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:30 PM   #30
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As just a lurker anymore (I only really post in my log and just read the rest), it is truly amazing that a year later, I'm reading about the same issues, the same qualms.

Rock on, I haven't missed a thing. Don't understand why CF doesn't like KBs that much, they are way more functional than about 50% of what they are having people do. I'd rather rock a bottom's up TGU with a heavy KB than do about 90% of what they brag about. I have more functional strength now than I ever did with pure CF, by following Pavel's programming along with the Training Room WODs on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
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