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Old 11-03-2009, 05:39 PM   #21
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It was from May 2009.

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We both deadlifted in the lower 600s several times,
but I was a better squatter at 611 than Philís 589.

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So, I want there to be shear stress on the back so that the muscles
that control intervertebral position get strong. I want active use
of the hamstrings, so that they get strong too. I want the heaviest
weight on my back that I can move through a full range of motion.
And this is why I like the low-bar back squat. I just canít get Phil
to listen to me. Heís stronger than I am, and he always has been,
so heís going to be hard to convince. After all, the boy did both
Steinborn and Zercher lifts with 500 pounds at a body weight of
198ónot wise, perhaps, but still a record today, I believe.

But Iíve still got him on the squat.
That's the bit that bothers me, but you each can form your own opinions.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:20 PM   #22
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Yes, Rip's "lever arm" shpeal always confused me. If the torso is kept more vertical in a high bar squat, which it should be, the lever arms should be about the same between the two. The fact that less weight is used with a high bar squat (typically) leads me to believe that the high-bar would yield less shear on the lower back. Not quite sure what the reasoning is here....If I misunderstood something please someone let me know....
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:35 AM   #23
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That's the bit that bothers me, but you each can form your own opinions.
I think I see how you interpreted that, but you're placing a lot of weight on a very small slice of a large body of written and instructional work. Even in the context of that article alone, the part you've honed in on isn't terribly bothersome unless you want it to be.

The article is May '08 if anyone else was interested to read it.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:19 AM   #24
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I've trained with many top people over the years. I’ve literally trained with the strongest people on earth.......The one thing they all have in common is they don’t focus on the little details. They focus on going to the gym and lifting as heavy and hard as they can. They take pride in losing training partners on a weekly basis. They take pride in making sure “the new guy” doesn’t make it through his first squat session.
http://elitefts.com/documents/complicated.htm

of course...as the prophets have revelead to us.......Justin never trained with Rezazadeh so of course, he hasn't really trained with the strongest people..because of course only the Olympic games can identify the world's actual strongest man.....
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:08 AM   #25
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I started out low-bar squatting, but I switched to high-bar about a year ago. I now strongly prefer it. I developed quite a bit of strength low-bar squatting, but it was all position specific - I had to stick my butt out and lean over to do anything. I feel like the high-bar position carries over to more stuff because it is more of an intermediate position. It still works the PC, but it also includes the quads more than low-bar does. Sure, if I was to enter a PL meet, I'd low-bar so I could move the most weight possible, but that isn't a problem for me just now.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:51 AM   #26
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http://elitefts.com/documents/complicated.htm

of course...as the prophets have revelead to us.......Justin never trained with Rezazadeh so of course, he hasn't really trained with the strongest people..because of course only the Olympic games can identify the world's actual strongest man.....
That article is f-in' badass! Kind of the same tone as the outstanding Wendler big lecture vids you posted some time ago, DVS.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:19 PM   #27
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This whole discussion reminded me of a decent article from Dr Fred Hatfield (Dr. Squat).

He seems to advocate using "Athletic Squats" over either "Olympic Squats" or "Powerlifter Squats", except in PL competition, and as competition nears to train the movement specifically.

http://drsquat.com/content/knowledge...y-i-know-squat
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:26 PM   #28
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LBBS/HBBS has replaced CNS as the acronoym most likely to give me the runs.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:59 PM   #29
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LBBS/HBBS has replaced CNS as the acronoym most likely to give me the runs.
What about core?
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:50 AM   #30
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Dang, I took a lot of flak on the CF forum for using a Manta Ray...and there goes Dr. Squat saying it is RECOMMENDED. Wow. I may have to bust it out again if I do high bar and I still get my old shoulder bone rub from the bar.
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