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Old 12-05-2009, 05:08 PM   #1
Loni Venn
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Default Paleo vs. Zone

It looks like CFHQ has officially put out the closest thing they are going to put out as far as a statement on the overwhelming anecdotal evidence that unweighed unmeasured paleo works better than the zone diet. In the latest CFJ Dr. Sears has gone on record stating that a weighed and measured zone diet using any food source will out perform an unweighed unmeasured paleo diet... Thoughts? Comments?
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Old 12-05-2009, 06:11 PM   #2
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I'll just post Robb Wolf's summary from the Black Box summit.

http://robbwolf.com/?paged=2

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I shared some case histories and then opened the floor for questions. Russell asked “when would I introduce the Zone in my practice?” and I said I tend not to. We have produced top tier athletes without the hassle of weighing and measuring. This did not satisfy him and he probed for how I would know what ratio athletes need for their best running and would it not be better to emulate a Zone approach. I gave him 2 concrete examples of top tier athletes who WERE eating the Zone, switched to un-weighed, unmeasured Paleo (a significant shift in food quality which decreases inflammation in many ways) who IMPROVED performance significantly by dropping the Zone. I said IF an athlete ceases to make progress I will weigh and measure food to see where to go next, but if a simple, intuitive approach is working, why mess with it?
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Old 12-05-2009, 06:24 PM   #3
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Barry Sears is Irrelevant therefore the Zone is Irrelevant, so is CFHQ, So are CF Message Board Moderators.

And to make Mike happy, Guinness is Paleo.
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Old 12-05-2009, 06:49 PM   #4
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PS - Barry Sears definitely has something to gain by supporting the zone diet, be weary of that fact...
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:17 AM   #5
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I'm wary of anyone that wants to stand between me and reasonable quantities of food.

I've tried to zone and to get enough food i'm on about 19 blocks of fat each meal. I get sick of eating nuts (they aren't cheap here either)
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:20 AM   #6
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Humans aren't born with a scale (though they get put on one very quickly...and we are measured...) and I have yet to have seen my son or any baby weigh and measure breast milk or any food.

Barry Sears is full of shit. There I said it.
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:17 AM   #7
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It looks like CFHQ has officially put out the closest thing they are going to put out as far as a statement on the overwhelming anecdotal evidence that unweighed unmeasured paleo works better than the zone diet. In the latest CFJ Dr. Sears has gone on record stating that a weighed and measured zone diet using any food source will out perform an unweighed unmeasured paleo diet... Thoughts? Comments?
Well, that blows.
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:40 AM   #8
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Barry Sears' website claims that the Zone Diet has helped elite athletes such as Valentina Vezzali (fencer), Linsay Berg (volleyball), Becky Lavelle (triathlete) and Christian VandeVelde (cyclist) win medal (see http://www.zonediet.com/tabid/169/it...Athletes.aspx).

Does anyone know whether these athletes are strict Zoners and whether they have food logs?

I know that Dean Karnazes isn't at least because he eats junk while running (see http://www.zonediet.com/tabid/130/it...the-Zone.aspx). An ancillary matter is that I doubt that a 40/30/30 diet would make him fat adapted as claimed in the article.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:48 AM   #9
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It looks like Tony Budding is going to have his hands full spinning this one.
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:41 PM   #10
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Sure the Zone can work to lose weight....but there are other ways as well, to not acknowledge that is rediculous.

Too bad they want to go that route cause they are taking a stand that is based on marketing a product, not giving facts.

Thanks for the Guinness is Paleo plug.....as I personally like to hunt and gather it.
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