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Old 12-14-2009, 10:03 AM   #11
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Whatever the case, you won't see a guy on the podium with more than four months of CF under his belt.
Wouldn't be shocked to see this. In fact of the top 5 males and top 5 females in the 2009 Games, only 1 or 2 had been doing CF longer than a year or two.
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:20 AM   #12
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But what this MAY do is make the Games itself such that people are entering and winner as to the manner you describe. One way HQ can combat this is to only allow members of CF gyms in the regionals and finals, but that rule can be twisted and abused so easily as well, not to mention the bad PR from that when people say "see CF thinks its so elite that it won't let anyone enter".

Even still, the Games itself are so varied in their events that there is no guarantee that undrafted SS could run 4 miles over hilly terrain or do a muscle-up.

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Plus, Gant, the best ATHLETES win all the time, regardless of past CF experience. Khalipa is an athlete, Salo is a freak of nature, Tonya Wagner was an excellent athlete from my home area, and that Icelandic chick (the 19 year old) is another one who is a studette. They can train for general GPP and strength and still do well. I know there are more out there, the average CF man and woman can't compete with that, and they won't. Genetics plays a massive role in that kind of success and with the further exposure of this, it will play an even larger role I think.
This is already happening. I've already heard a couple interesting names. There might also be different groups of gyms doing their own incentive-based sponsoring, thus sweetening the pot.

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the D1 defensive backs could podium at the games with a couple months of metcon type workouts.

The best athletes do win, which should present a problem to Couch. If CF produces elite fitness and the games test for elite fitness, what does it say when somebody that hasn't done CF wipes everyone out?

Naturally, Bony Goebbels will spin it and try to claim these people as CF's own.
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:37 PM   #13
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Yeah, I don't think CF has even begun to see the real genetic freaks come out to play yet.

This will likely conclusively demonstrate that year-round metcon as a means to get better at metcon is completely unnecessary beyond an absolute minimum (if at all beyond a couple months of prep).

Although, in an effort to keep out the non-CFers, HQ could simply just keep lengthening out the games--as they have done every year to this point--to make it so that training would need to be more "specific"...which would be funny, and yet again, completely antithetical to everything that people thought the supposed "philosophy" of CF stood for.

Then it will be just another endurance sport, whose main contests will ruin people even worse than before.
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:44 PM   #14
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The very fact that there's sectionals now mean that you have to gear up for "3" major competitions in a year. People in other sports probably won't have enough time to train and recover for their sports as well as CF. Which is good for HQ in that sense.

I mean 8 events the last games was just poor programming. That roasted every competitor for at least a month afterwards... not exactly conducive to good health.
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:58 PM   #15
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pfft I bet a prize money would attract big game to the field. I still can't believe last years game and how many CF'ers qualified with such low numbers and little experience compared to the first years games. I mean hell, a girl..or man still can't figure that one out yet that I went to a cert with got into the qualifiers with only 2 months experience of CF and I vividly remember her not being able to OHS worth a shit with pvc or accomplish much period with that pipe, compare that with all the people who also qualified and could not pull a 2xbw DL or press their own bodyweight, so what the fuck is up with that?

Couple that with what Steven said about the piss poor programming. Some of them should have had the common sense to just say "fuck that" and stop.

We know a D1 type athlete would likely come in with double or triple the strength of your average CF'er and would likely dominate the challenges but whose to say the various regionals won't "bias" or rig their programming to favor their affiliate trainees.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:39 PM   #16
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The other problem with introducing real money is that it drives up expectations for the professionalism and fairness of the operation.

When it's just bragging rights and a few bucks, you can let a lot slide. Who cares if the judging is a little uneven or the qualifying events vary substantially? But once there's real money at play there's going to be a lot more scrutiny. Heck, last year HQ thought it was fine to have the same organizers who programmed the events for a region compete in the events they selected!

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The very fact that there's sectionals now mean that you have to gear up for "3" major competitions in a year. People in other sports probably won't have enough time to train and recover for their sports as well as CF. Which is good for HQ in that sense.
Anyone who can't finish in the top 20-30 of a Sectional with a little tune-up is probably not a threat to finish high at the Games. The Regionals, where you need a top 3 finish usually, are a different story--since they are in May, I suppose you have 3/4-month "season" for the Games.

Anyway, the real influx of genetic beasts is probably going to be from the ranks of post-collegiate athletes who no longer have to worry about a "season."
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:53 PM   #17
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This is already happening. I've already heard a couple interesting names. There might also be different groups of gyms doing their own incentive-based sponsoring, thus sweetening the pot.

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the D1 defensive backs could podium at the games with a couple months of metcon type workouts.

The best athletes do win, which should present a problem to Couch. If CF produces elite fitness and the games test for elite fitness, what does it say when somebody that hasn't done CF wipes everyone out?

Naturally, Bony Goebbels will spin it and try to claim these people as CF's own.
I really hope that isn't the case (the incentive-based sponsoring) but its bound to happen sometime.

I've worked with some great athletes over the years, and have been around a lot as well in my rugby career, who I am sure could do damn well at a Games competition.

As CF gets bigger, you will see the best athlete winning more and not the best CFer.

Elite fitness is relative. For an average joe who does a workout 4 times a week in his local box, his idea of elite fitness, for him, is completely different than a Jason Khalipa who has a different approach to it and a different goal in mind.

It will be harder and harder for the average trainer to do well at the Games. The time, sacrifice and meal planning will take a shitload of time, and a guy with a fulltime job (that doesn't revolve around training) will have a hard time with that.

And you are probably right about that D1 backs and CF. That would be a nice experiment.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:54 PM   #18
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Old 12-14-2009, 05:00 PM   #19
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yes, think about it. Its relative towards the individual, not everyone can be an 800m sprinter and a weightlifter rolled into one.
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Old 12-14-2009, 05:24 PM   #20
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but maybe using elite fitness is strong... how about just fitness then
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