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Old 01-19-2010, 03:48 PM   #1
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How does everyone overcome ignorant people?

Today a fellow peer in my major (kinesiology: fitness development; and I'm also in exercise science) tried arguing with me that I was wrong in saying athletes benefit from (hanging) leg raises. Then tried telling me all my training philosophies wouldn't be of benefit to athletes since I was so "olympic" mind-setted. We changed topic to rep schemes and when he told me 8-10 reps was a low number for repetitions I quit talking to him. Mind you this kid is barely passing with a 2.1 and I have a 3.6 (3.75ish without liberal art classes).
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:54 PM   #2
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Depends on what you mean by "overcome".

Just saw Derek Simonds' signature on another thread, figured it fit here perfectly...
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I'd simply say stop discussing training with this person. Save your energy for the interwebz flame wars.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:05 PM   #3
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I don't try to convince anyone of anything anymore.

You just say your piece and then listen and nod if they want to ramble able theirs.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:22 PM   #4
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tell him how many athletes you trained that you observed net positives from performing hanging leg raises,

or tell him the benefits you observed doing them yourself....

Or, maybe it's just mental masturbation.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:23 PM   #5
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Yeah, I should probably stop trying to convince people of things these days, just never seems to work in your favor. At least I only have a year and a half left here until I (hopefully) head off to the best graduate school in kinesiology... Uconn.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:48 PM   #6
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overcoming ignorant people

1. throw chalk in face
2. right hook
3. shoot for legs
4. move to back
5. rear naked choke

stops the drivel in about 20 seconds flat

Seriously though, I give everyone about 2 minutes of my time and if it's clear the conversation is going nowhere i just excuse myself politely and go back to lifting twice as much as they do.

You can't change everyone, the ones who are worth expending effort on will come around quickly. Also be aware of the fallacy of using grades etc to compare yourself to people.

By all quantitative measures no one on earth should be listening to me talk about training because i've been a rubbish athlete all my life but I get results for people and that's all that counts.

People who have opinions that run counter your own beliefs can also be useful in challenging your assumptions and you'd be surprised what you can learn about your own beliefs and methods by having them reflected in a mirror of stupidity.
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:24 PM   #7
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Yell out banana hammock, I learned this form scrubs. It gets me out of every situation and works on ignorant people too. They will be in a total "wtf" look when you say it.

On another serious note, just ignore them, I've been down that route. Just go to your classes, do your work and get out. It's better in the long run.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:50 AM   #8
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Seriously though, I give everyone about 2 minutes of my time and if it's clear the conversation is going nowhere i just excuse myself politely and go back to lifting twice as much as they do.
This is the answer.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:18 AM   #9
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Seriously though, I give everyone about 2 minutes of my time and if it's clear the conversation is going nowhere i just excuse myself politely and go back to lifting twice as much as they do.
handstand work is nice too. escpecially a nice 90 degree pushup (i gotta cheat and do elbow lever right now though, but they don't know that )
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:41 AM   #10
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Seriously though, I give everyone about 2 minutes of my time and if it's clear the conversation is going nowhere i just excuse myself politely and go back to lifting twice as much as they do.
This is the answer.
No, this is the answer:
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Yell out banana hammock, I learned this form scrubs. It gets me out of every situation and works on ignorant people too. They will be in a total "wtf" look when you say it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yR5Hf90toQ


Dave's post comes in as a close second, but it couldn't beat a Scrubs reference.
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