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Old 02-14-2007, 07:32 AM   #11
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I guess I was just a bit taken aback by some aspects of his report. Among other things, you'd think he was the only healthy person in a room full of cripples.

Whatever the case, like Steve said, he did make the effort to go and try it out. I do hope he stays with it.
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Good Point. Fred is super passionate about all this stuff which is of course good and it takes guts to step out and really do something new. Was it Biosiato who talked smack about bodybuilders for years and then was challenged to get ready for a show? He said it was some of the most grueling and brutal training he has ever done...but he was doing back squats with 300+lbs for sets of 30!
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Old 02-14-2007, 07:48 AM   #12
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Just read thru a second time. Its probably one of funniest threads ever.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:47 PM   #13
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Yeah, I am glad to have impressed Fred as one of the young guys leaping the other night but am not impressed by his lack of beginner mind.
I mean, just admit you need to work on shoulder ROM already. Just admit your leg presses haven't prepared you for real ass to grass squats, let alone the overhead squat.
I wonder what he'll write tonight. I'll wonder what he thinks about my one-handed snatch practice.
Though I did see his jerk last week and I will say it looked good. But even fully upright he holds the bar forward. If you look at his resume, you see a lot of schooling but not a lot of work with athletes. I think that says something about the type of training he works in.
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Old 02-14-2007, 08:34 PM   #14
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Rob, what do you mean by DeVany's old stuff?
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Old 02-15-2007, 04:57 AM   #15
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Utterly inspired comedy.

Lincoln's patience is commendable.

I love the side battle going on as those two guys step in and complain about Sumo's comments (which seem to have gone over Fred's head anyway) and ask for him to be banned.

Thanks for posting that Steve.
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Old 02-15-2007, 09:15 AM   #16
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Rob, what do you mean by DeVany's old stuff?
Yeah, what's up with that? I thought he has always been a nutter. white teeth and all that.
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:29 AM   #17
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Some of Art's old Wo's-
20 squats with an empty bar (apparently 40lbs in Fred land), throw 45's on the bar as quickly as you can and perform 20 squats with 135, another set of 45's quick as you can, perform 10-12 reps with 225, another set of 45's quick as you can 3-5 reps with 315, step outside squat racks and perform jump squats to failure.

3-4 sets of incline DB press W/similar rep scheme

3-5 sets of pull-ups, a rep or two shy of failure.

2-3 days later Warm up deadlifts...then 5-10 reps with 2x+ BW on DL...8-10 seconds between each rep.

Medicine ball throws and some sprint work...something like 3-10sets of 50-100m sprints.

A couple days later a long hike wearing 40lbs of scuba weights. Other days playing basket ball, hitting softballs, or riding motocross.

I followed a "schedule" like this for...oh about 2 years. I added in some Olifts, gymnastics and KB's as I became familiar with them but it was quick, easy and produced nice results with regards to performance.

Looking back this is an interesting mix of almost HIT-esque metcon-ish WO's mixed with a bit of legit strength training...and all typically with full body movements like sprinting, DL's squats, Pcleans etc.

Limitations? One is not going to produce elite levels of either strength or metcon on this type of training...but one CAN produce some damn good results. One might make the argument that this type of training produces a remarkably high return on investment, perhaps not surprising considering Devany's background. It's tough to imagine many sports that necessitate more than a 2.5-3.0 BW DL to have a strength base that is sufficient. One can certainly achieve this level of strength on a schedule like this.

Alternately, if one needs more metcon, just do more CrossFit or Ross Enamait type work.

About a year or two ago a number of people were really giving Art a mountain of crap about his programming...that no elite strength athletes train the way he recommends. That may be the case but it's tough to argue with the minimalist approach given the obvious results.

Sorry, kinda rambling...
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Neal-
Some of Art's old Wo's-
20 squats with an empty bar (apparently 40lbs in Fred land), throw 45's on the bar as quickly as you can and perform 20 squats with 135, another set of 45's quick as you can, perform 10-12 reps with 225, another set of 45's quick as you can 3-5 reps with 315, step outside squat racks and perform jump squats to failure.

3-4 sets of incline DB press W/similar rep scheme

3-5 sets of pull-ups, a rep or two shy of failure.

2-3 days later Warm up deadlifts...then 5-10 reps with 2x+ BW on DL...8-10 seconds between each rep.

Medicine ball throws and some sprint work...something like 3-10sets of 50-100m sprints.

A couple days later a long hike wearing 40lbs of scuba weights. Other days playing basket ball, hitting softballs, or riding motocross.

I followed a "schedule" like this for...oh about 2 years. I added in some Olifts, gymnastics and KB's as I became familiar with them but it was quick, easy and produced nice results with regards to performance.

Looking back this is an interesting mix of almost HIT-esque metcon-ish WO's mixed with a bit of legit strength training...and all typically with full body movements like sprinting, DL's squats, Pcleans etc.

Limitations? One is not going to produce elite levels of either strength or metcon on this type of training...but one CAN produce some damn good results. One might make the argument that this type of training produces a remarkably high return on investment, perhaps not surprising considering Devany's background. It's tough to imagine many sports that necessitate more than a 2.5-3.0 BW DL to have a strength base that is sufficient. One can certainly achieve this level of strength on a schedule like this.

Alternately, if one needs more metcon, just do more CrossFit or Ross Enamait type work.

About a year or two ago a number of people were really giving Art a mountain of crap about his programming...that no elite strength athletes train the way he recommends. That may be the case but it's tough to argue with the minimalist approach given the obvious results.

Sorry, kinda rambling...
So you would workout 3 days a week with the above layout?
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Robb, I think know what you're talking about now. This is in contrast to his "new" stuff where I believe he opts for exercises like leg presses instead of squats, ect.
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Old 02-15-2007, 01:19 PM   #20
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Now here's a question for Lincoln, Sumo and Blobert.
Coach has said like 40 times to me "Freedo - your a
strong guy..." "Freedo your a thick powerful guy..."
on and on.

Since he's coached world class lifters, does that mean
I'm strong now?

From Fred's recent post.

Man, if you know coach, if you know any coach...
I go back to an earlier comment- sports seem like a change in venue for him.
Seriously, it's kind of amazing. This guy is so out of his element. It's kind of sad. Has he never ventured into something new? I mean, getting to OLY, and things as challening as oly, are great because you enter into an area where your old standards disappear and you need to adopt the new ones. That's part of the challenge. But that's part of learning, admitting your ignorance and inexperience and opening yourself up to the new world. Shut your inner critic and listen. Listen to the people who have been doing it for years. Stick around and you'll see, you'll eventually get the jokes, you'll laugh at how silly your ideas were in the beginning, and become a bigger person for it all. But this guy, at least in his posts, and from his weird manners on the platform, is having real trouble adjusting. That this world is quite foreign to him and he lacks reference points for his really seems to be an issue. Just suck it up, listen, admit you know nothing, and keep at it.
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