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Old 04-06-2010, 09:37 PM   #11
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Really? I write 53 words and you can come to the conclusion that I don't know how to bench press? HMMM. What else can't I do? I am learning a lot from your vast wisdom.
You didn't make absurd statements about anything but the bench press so I can't help you past that point.
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Old 04-06-2010, 09:54 PM   #12
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things which should never be even concieved of, let alone spoken and or written.

axly, i like core. it means nothing but everyone knows exactly what it means.
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:43 AM   #13
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IMO bench if you want to get big and strong, pushups if you just want strength.

so if you want a good power to mass ratio, pushups. if you want all out strength, bench.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:42 PM   #14
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things which should never be even concieved of, let alone spoken and or written.

axly, i like core. it means nothing but everyone knows exactly what it means.
There you went and crossfitted this thing up. Dammit.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:47 PM   #15
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IMO bench if you want to get big and strong, pushups if you just want strength.

so if you want a good power to mass ratio, pushups. if you want all out strength, bench.
Huh? Pushups are limited by load at a certain point (who's going to have a partner load 5 45lb plates on their back before they do a rep. Benching doesn't get you big, food intake does. It does get you strong though.
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:03 PM   #16
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Weighted dips and standing BB press will give you what you need, while saving your shoulders from being sacrificed to the bench press monster too early in life.

If you want to bench for pushing strength, do it with your grip width at the same width you'd overhead press, that can save your shoulders too.
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There you went and crossfitted this thing up. Dammit.

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Old 04-07-2010, 05:01 PM   #18
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Weighted dips and standing BB press will give you what you need, while saving your shoulders from being sacrificed to the bench press monster too early in life.

If you want to bench for pushing strength, do it with your grip width at the same width you'd overhead press, that can save your shoulders too.
Yeah, even if you bench, you should do other pushing exercises because you're locked in scapular retraction and depression when you're benching. Weighted pushups could be useful to supplement bench pressing for this reason. I'd rather do Weighted dips though.
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Would a weighted pushup or bench press be a better exercise for pushing strength in the real world? I work in a warehouse and had to push a few boxes of Cliff Bars to the back of a shelf today and wish I had a little better pushing strength.
Jay,

You asked specifically what exercise you should do to help you push boxes. For your real life situation, sled pulls/pushes and push ups is all you would need to do. Benching wouldn't hurt anything, but you can always perform push ups any where, any time, any place, different hand placements, different speeds, plyometric style, slow, wide narrow, staggered, one armed, Dive bombers, etc.

Pushing boxes requires leg strength to supply the force to push with and enough stabilizing force in the core muscles and the shoulder muscles to transfer the force from the hips up the spine, through the arms to the box. You don't need to bench press a ton to do that, you need strong legs and a balanced body. The core is much more actively engaged in push ups than it is in bench press. Anyone who states otherwise is ignorant of human movement.

I did a poor job in answering your post with my first answer by not explaining my thought processes in my answer. And it seems the other posts were rather adolescent in nature and have completely missed answering your original question.

And FWIW, my PR in the bench is 145kg (raw) at a BW of 90kg. Even though I haven't trained the bench in over 5 years except for maybe 100 total reps of bench done at random intervals in 2009, I bench 130kg at the same bw. I know how to bench. I find the lift boring and limited.
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Huh? Pushups are limited by load at a certain point (who's going to have a partner load 5 45lb plates on their back before they do a rep. Benching doesn't get you big, food intake does. It does get you strong though.
when i said pushups, i meant that one would progress towards planche pushups. thus the ultimate goal being to move the entire body without the aid of the lower body. i was implying that his choice should just be tailored to what he wants from his body, instead of which one is better than the other.

in terms of progressions, the fastest way to get stronger at bench is to gain bodyweight while you're progressing (rippetoe and his gallon of milk a day). gaining bodyweight while trying to develop higher levels in pushup variations can make the whole deal harder.

therefore, if his goal is to get all out stronger without caring about his bodyweight, then it would be nice to bench and eat a lot. i guess you could assume that if you ate a lot while working pushup progressions, then you would actually increase your resistance just by gaining weight. therefore you might not have to increase the leverage against your joints to make it harder.

realistically speaking though, the amount of weight he would have to gain to make the strength requirement in his current pushup style significantly harder would be high. therefore moving up to the next progression would be harder cause he would weigh more, and the progression he's at might feel too easy.

if his overall goal really is just to move more cliff bars, then it would probably be worth getting bigger just to gain strength and do this. i doubt this is really his master goal in life though. judging by the amount of detail he gave us on his warehouse acrobatics, it would seem that he has fun and takes a decent level of pride in his prowess. therefore i would think that he likes bodyweight strength. i didn't want to make an outright assumption that this is what he wanted. thus i came to final conclusion and statement i said before.
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