Home   |   Contact   |   Help

Get Our Newsletter
Sign up for our free newsletter to get training tips and stay up to date on Catalyst Athletics, and get a FREE issue of the Performance Menu journal.

Go Back   Catalyst Athletics Forums > Training > Fitness, Strength & CrossFit

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-31-2010, 05:21 PM   #51
Grissim Connery
Senior Member
 
Grissim Connery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 624
Default

here's a video i just made trying to explain what might be beneficial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfD4Os91FDs

i did the motions kinda fast in the video, but if you try slowing them down as much as you can (especially the initial front pull), you can really tax the lats and everything else pretty hard.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yael Grauer View Post
No idea what you mean by roll to inverted
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yael Grauer View Post
Not sure what an inverted tuck to inverted with straight body
i'm probably not using the right terminology. maybe tucked front pull? but basically this, but without the brief static hold at parallel

1:18-1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3QUYsdz-S8&NR=1

for inverted straight body, i was just talkin about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZA8ApRnhA


Quote:
Originally Posted by Yael Grauer View Post
I really don't think my hips are what are preventing me from doing a dead hang though.
i didn't mean the strength and mobility actually in your hips, but the ability to move them during a pullup. in order to explain this it would probably be easier to talk about dips. a while ago, crossfit decided to crack down on people doing bullshit dips. this video will give a good idea of what i'm talkin about with hip movement.

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ingDipsPre.wmv

so basically it's legit when you can get your hips to move the full distance, but in the meantime, you can use some of those tricks of rotating around your elbows to help alleviate the full strength required to do the full exercise. then when you're stronger, reduce the raising of the hips until you don't need to use it for the deadhang
Grissim Connery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2010, 06:55 PM   #52
Yael Grauer
Senior Member
 
Yael Grauer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,590
Default

OMG you made a video for me! I feel special. I will totally try that hip thing.

I'm thinking I probably can't do any of the other things you asked if I could do but I'll try.
__________________
http://yaelwrites.com
Yael Grauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2010, 05:19 PM   #53
Yael Grauer
Senior Member
 
Yael Grauer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,590
Default

hi Grissim,
I tried this at the gym and I can totally raise my hips and do all those crazy things, but it doesn't help me at all with the pull from a dead hang. It's very helpful when not quite at a dead hang but then not really necessary since I can get a pullup from there anyway. LOL. I might be a lost cause. At least I felt like a gymnast for a few seconds.
y
__________________
http://yaelwrites.com
Yael Grauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2010, 06:52 PM   #54
Blair Lowe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 593
Default

Perhaps some heavy f'n shrugs. Maybe that will help you break out of the bottom of the dead hang.

I guess if that was the problem support shrugs from standing, on back(BenchPress) may work as well.

But it also made me wonder if it simply when you try flexing the elbow you can't break that instead of the shoulder.

Perhaps work a lot of volume of your not full ROM pullups. How many can you do? Maybe just the ability to flex the elbow.
Blair Lowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2010, 07:27 PM   #55
Gary Ohm
Member
 
Gary Ohm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Paso Robles, Kaliforniastan
Posts: 120
Default

That's a good thought. It may be arm strength rather than back or shoulder strength. As bad as it sounds, maybe curls could actually help in this case.
Gary Ohm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2010, 09:01 PM   #56
Rick Deckart
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 557
Default

why would one do curls when one can do pullups, just use enough band tension for example four minis and remove them over the time course
Rick Deckart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2010, 10:14 PM   #57
Yael Grauer
Senior Member
 
Yael Grauer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,590
Default

Blair, I definitely think it's an elbow thing. It is literally like...locked elbows I can't do the pullup, 2 degrees away from locked and I can't do sh**.

Not sure how many not-quite-pullups I can do, I usually end up locking my elbows on the bottom after I do 1. I think I've only done two or three in a row without dead hanging after doing one or getting mad at myself for not having full ROM.

I don't think it's a bicep issue...

I know I am definitely using my lats in all of my pullup attempts these days (had someone check).
__________________
http://yaelwrites.com
Yael Grauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:18 AM   #58
Gary Ohm
Member
 
Gary Ohm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Paso Robles, Kaliforniastan
Posts: 120
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Puetz View Post
why would one do curls when one can do pullups, just use enough band tension for example four minis and remove them over the time course
If you don't have bands you can do curls. I hate curls but it might be the ticket here as it seems like Yael has tried everything else.
Gary Ohm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 09:03 AM   #59
Yael Grauer
Senior Member
 
Yael Grauer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,590
Default

LOL I hate curls too but whatever it takes. I did some hammer curls as an auxiliary exercise in my last workout.

What kind of numbers we looking at? How much should I be able to curl before I can nix that as my (potential) weak link? I usually weigh around 140-ish (as low as 135 during competition season and never get above 145).
__________________
http://yaelwrites.com
Yael Grauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 11:02 AM   #60
Gary Ohm
Member
 
Gary Ohm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Paso Robles, Kaliforniastan
Posts: 120
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yael Grauer View Post
LOL I hate curls too but whatever it takes. I did some hammer curls as an auxiliary exercise in my last workout.

What kind of numbers we looking at? How much should I be able to curl before I can nix that as my (potential) weak link? I usually weigh around 140-ish (as low as 135 during competition season and never get above 145).

I can't even imagine a hard and fast number for you to shoot for. I would guess just try and incorporate them and try to make gains as best you can and then at some point you'll be able to get your deadhang.

I had another thought. I wonder if any of the trouble is psychological? When I first tried full-on dead hangs, my elbows felt REALLY exposed. Are you doing any lever and planche work? That might help to "wake up" your elbows.

Again, this is all P'DOOMA info here. Take it for what it's worth.
Gary Ohm is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:00 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Subscribe to our Newsletter


Receive emails with training tips, news updates, events info, sale notifications and more.
ASK GREG

Submit your question to be answered by Greg Everett in the Performance Menu or on the website

Submit Your Question
WEIGHTLIFTING TEAM

Catalyst Athletics is a USA Weightlifting team of competitive Olympic-style weightlifters with multiple national team medals.

Read More
Olympic Weightlifting Book
Catalyst Athletics
Contact Us
About
Help
Newsletter
Products & Services
Gym
Store
Seminars
Weightlifting Team
Performance Menu
Magazine Home
Subscriber Login
Issues
Articles
Workouts
About the Program
Workout Archives
Exercise Demos
Text Only
Instructional Content
Exercise Demos
Video Gallery
Free Articles
Free Recipes
Resources
Recommended Books & DVDs
Olympic Weightlifting Guide
Discussion Forum
Weight Conversion Calculator