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Old 02-22-2008, 06:04 AM   #51
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All V-Diet'rs;

Please keep updating this thread as to your progress, comments and suggestions. Dan John gave this a try last year, think it worked pretty well for him.
Thanks in advance and good luck.
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:34 AM   #52
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Yeah, this thread has already been a useful resource to me. I am looking forward to getting started on this, I like the rigidity of it. I'm not good with half-arsed diets, which is both good and bad, obviously. Moderation has never been one of my strong points, it's usually either all of nothing which is what I am hoping this regime can go some way to change. After I have given this a go I want to crack on with IF/Paleo style eating as I think that will most probably be most beneficial to me. The fact remains that at this moment IF style eating worries me because I can fast for time, without trouble but as soon as food, without specifically rigid guidelines comes in, it tends to descend into a gorge fest. Ultimately I need to learn moderation.
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:45 AM   #53
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I did a semi V diet the month of January 2008. I was consuming roughly 5 protein shakes a day and 2 small meals (lunch and dinner) conisiting of only meat and vegetables. I did not stray from this at all. I ate fish oil and drank a ton of water and some diet coke. i followed a program i found on MIke's Gym which basically consisted of 4 days of lifting, 2 snatch, 2 Clean and jerk, squats and presses.

The diet: it made me realize all of the snacking i was doing during the day. in about 6 weeks--i have since modified it a bit with more "real" food--i lost 15 lbs, 2-2.5 inches off my waist and my body composition really improved.

Strenght wise my PR's have really improved. however, i base this more on the fact of following a real program and not just ad-hocing it every day.

i didn't really see good results--body comp wise--until week 4. from week 4 to week 6 is when it dramatically improved.

currently i am eating 4 protein shakes a day with 3 real meals. still no bread, pasta etc.
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:44 AM   #54
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Why we are doing it, Laurie originally wanted to go back on the smoothie diet by Dr. Elson Haas. We had tried this in the past for detoxing and found that it did help BUT I was STARVING!! I think MOD mentioned that it was probably because even though I was doing a smoothie diet I was still adding a ton of extra carbs in there with the juices/nut milks we were using as a base for all the smoothies. So even though we were doing a smoothie diet it was still a moderate to high carb intake with almost no fat intake. Over the past year+ Laurie has gained a lot of weight due to all the stuff that has happened(surgery...etc) she has just got the point where she wanted to make a change and I suggested the Velocity Diet instead of the smoothie diet as it was similiar and you would get larger body composition changes.

We will monitor has she is doing since it is a gluten free diet and hopefully going gluten free cold turkey will help with some of her pain issues by the end of the 28 days and THEN we can get paleo after this is all over. Baby steps right?

I am doing this to support Laurie and I try not to think about stealing my children's food while I cook up lunch or dinner. My goal is to drop 15 lbs as I'm currently 197 and probably 15+% BF with her surgery/recovery and being super inconsistent at the gym. My conditioning has dropped, my strength sucks and I feel pretty crappy all around. I already eat pretty paleo-ish and have been IF'ing on and off for over a year now. More on time than off but off is off.

Details on Laurie and my V-diet:

We are pretty much just doing as Chris Shugart recommends with the following tweaks:

Both:
-Even though we started on a Thursday, we are scheduling the 1 solid meal to be on Sunday as this is when we will usually be able to be around each other for that meal. Chris Shugart suggested making the one meal breakfast or lunch which would be impossible on Thursdays due to my work schedule.
-Taping and weigh-ins will be on Thursday mornings before I leave for work.
-Instead of natural peanut butter we will both be using cashew/macadamia butter.

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-Surge - Instead of buying Surge for postworkout nutrition I will be using one scoop of whey isolate with 3 tablespoons of gatorade powder
-Hot Rox - I haven't taken anything along these lines in years upon years so for this week I'll only be taking 1 twice a day rather than the 2 twice a day that is suggested. On the 28th I'll start with 2 twice a day.
-NEPA walks - I still need to get my running in no matter what so instead of 7 NEPA walks a week I'm going to throw in 2-3 runs and walk the other days.
-Workout-I'm going to follow the Advanced V-diet routine that Chad waterbury designed for the next 4 weeks. It looks like a solid program.
-Additional supplements - None, no ZMA....etc
-5 shakes a day on non workout days, 6 on workout days

Laurie:
-No Hot-Rox or Se7en as they suggest for women, these both indicate if you are on medication for blood pressure not to take them.
-4 shakes a day on non workout days, 5 on workout days although this will be another Metabolic drive type shake and not a Surge type PWO shake.
-NEPA walks - 7x's a week 30+ minutes - This will be the most walking she will have done for over a year and a half now, so she will build up her speed on the walks as she gets her legs used to it.
-Workouts - 3x a week these will be mostly rehab/prehab type and not the intense workouts they suggest, she wouldn't be able to do what they suggest so we are going to go for "something is better than nothing" and hopefully fix some of the following things like: knee pain, ankle pain, her posture and other things. Her program will be a combo of Core Performance Essentials, Posture Power and stuff her PT gave her.
-Additional supplements: Vitamin C twice a day for her EDS, Calcium supplement(calcium, magnesium, vitamin D...etc) twice a day for her osteopenia
-Pickles - She has enough leeway in her calorie intake for up to 5 per day, she needs the sodium for her POTS as there is not much sodium at all in the shakes.

Comments so far:
Today is day 3, I do find myself missing the whole chewing thing, it's bad when you find yourself slowly chewing up your Fiber Choice tablets to savor the sensation. Hunger pangs aren't too bad for me but I've been IF'ing on and off for a year+ and I'm also not carb addicted. Laurie's hunger pangs have been worse but she hasn't gone low carb in over 3+ years and she also isn't taking hot-rox, having taken it before I recall that yohimbine is a decent appetite suppresant.

Shake recipes are needed though. I've tried seraching but 99% of the recipes I found all have other stuff added into it.
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Old 02-23-2008, 07:13 AM   #55
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Keep us updated Allen. Tell Laurie the worst part will be over in the next couple of days.
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:41 AM   #56
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Allen;

Post your comments as to effects and thoughts on the Hot Rox.
Thanks.
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:33 AM   #57
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i am also taking Hot Rox. however, I only take 1/2 of the recommended dose. i take one in the morning with my shake and then one after dinner before I lift. For me, it gives me a lot more energy during my workout, and curves my appetite in the morning. However, the recommended 2 capsules makes me feel weird...kind of an upset stomach.
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Old 02-25-2008, 02:55 AM   #58
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Starting today proper. Took some "before" pics yesterday so you will all be witness to teh fatness. Should I keep it in this thread or start another, what do you folks think?
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Old 02-25-2008, 04:23 AM   #59
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Starting today proper. Took some "before" pics yesterday so you will all be witness to teh fatness. Should I keep it in this thread or start another, what do you folks think?
We took pictures as well but my wife is going to wait until the end to show them, if then. I was planning on just posting it here.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:14 AM   #60
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Hi guys,

First day (yesterday) as expected, was fine. I was pretty much full of carbs from the weekend so I didn't really feel very hungry at all. I know that will change as time goes on, though. Didn't do anything much physical yesterday aside from some brisk walking. It maybe quite strange but I like it when I am in the "zone" like this. I know what I can eat (not alot) and I know what I can't eat (pretty much everything). Its liberating
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