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Old 03-02-2011, 10:07 AM   #1031
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It is disturbing that you can capture almost any training methodology, good or bad, under the CF umbrella. 5/3/1 and running? CrossFit. Random exercises? CrossFit. Just as long as you're doing these things in a 'box' its CrossFit. Not only no quality control, but also, no way to actually convince anyone that the fundamental theories behind CF are ineffective or dangerous.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:23 AM   #1032
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I think what is occurring here is the definition of the word "crossfit" is expanding. At first it started out with the narrow definition originally set by Glassman. However, as @fit became more and more popular it's going through some growing pains. Local affiliates are learning the flaws with @fit and are adding their own twist to it, adding a strength bias, periodization, eliminating dangerous movements, and not requiring max effort all the time. This flies in the face of the original definition of @fit, but if you ask people like Mr. Kemper (and myself) they will tell you they are doing crossfit.

I personally believe Mr. Glassman will face the same intellectual property issues that Aspirin, Xerox, and Rollerblade faced. In other words, I think Crossfit will come to mean any cross-training program that involves the O-lifts, gymnastics, sprinting, etc, that's done in a class setting. People will be crossfitting, but they won't be @fitting. I also think people's responses to CJ Kim's posts shows this, all of them would say they are crossfitters, but none of their advice/thoughts seem to fall into the definitions set out by Mr. Glassman.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:30 AM   #1033
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I don't think it will run into the Xerox issue. CrossFit(TM) is a brand and it's realized as such. The legal team is quick to stamp out anybody who is using the name in any other way. The fact that people are applying it in an increasingly broad manner just means their brand is WINNING and getting stronger. More money for CrossFit, Inc.

I sincerely hope people don't start using "crossfit" for any generic training program using O-lifts and circuits. That would mean Glassman has won, not the other way around. It's a brand name and using it that way doesn't weaken, it strengthens the brand because CrossFit, Inc. is the only one benefitting. Right now, at least. Especially so because they're trying to market the CrossFit Games. It was bad for aspirin and xerox because there were people selling the exact same product, but here increased use of the brand name means more recognition for their products and more buy-in for what will be their biggest product, TEH GAMES.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:34 AM   #1034
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any program that leads to this doesn't work in my book. Steven Low is the most patient person on earth I think.

http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=65397
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:54 AM   #1035
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I think what is occurring here is the definition of the word "crossfit" is expanding. At first it started out with the narrow definition originally set by Glassman. However, as @fit became more and more popular it's going through some growing pains. Local affiliates are learning the flaws with @fit and are adding their own twist to it, adding a strength bias, periodization, eliminating dangerous movements, and not requiring max effort all the time. This flies in the face of the original definition of @fit, but if you ask people like Mr. Kemper (and myself) they will tell you they are doing crossfit.

I personally believe Mr. Glassman will face the same intellectual property issues that Aspirin, Xerox, and Rollerblade faced. In other words, I think Crossfit will come to mean any cross-training program that involves the O-lifts, gymnastics, sprinting, etc, that's done in a class setting. People will be crossfitting, but they won't be @fitting. I also think people's responses to CJ Kim's posts shows this, all of them would say they are crossfitters, but none of their advice/thoughts seem to fall into the definitions set out by Mr. Glassman.
I struggle to believe this, although it may be realized. I think p90x is a more popular, accessible program, yet you dont hear p90x as a verb for cross training. Time will tell I guess. Bikram managed to do it with Yoga, so anything is possible.

I resent the fact that CFs 'growing pains' are on the shoulders (pun intended) of injuries like mine and countless others. rehab fucking sucks. Not working for a month sucks. Having CFitters tell you the injury is your fault sucks.

edit: why not actually start a S&C program that actually works, brand it and sell it? novel idea...
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:02 AM   #1036
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any program that leads to this doesn't work in my book. Steven Low is the most patient person on earth I think.

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Old 03-02-2011, 11:19 AM   #1037
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I'm only patient sometimes.... I have my spurts of impatience
hahah. "hey, i'm coughing up blood during the WOD. Is that bad?"
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:55 AM   #1038
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The legal team is quick to stamp out anybody who is using the name in any other way.
Are they though? I can't recall exactly, but quite a few, large instances of the crossfit name being used without affiliation were bandied about the couch thread recently.

HQ has bigger (e.g., Reebok's $$$$$) fish to fry I think.
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:06 PM   #1039
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any program that leads to this doesn't work in my book. Steven Low is the most patient person on earth I think.

http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=65397
Jesus christ, that guy owns an affiliate! No one dumb enough to not know to immediately go to the doctor if you are tasting blood in your lungs should be allowed to train others, ever. Wow.


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edit: why not actually start a S&C program that actually works, brand it and sell it? novel idea...
There is always the Greyskull/Whole9 plan. Use the brand to get people in the door, build a client base for a few years while doing your own programming, then de-affiliate and save a few grand per year.
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:06 PM   #1040
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Boy, boys it's all Crossfit. 5/3/1 is crossfit. Strongman is crossfit. Twight's Gym is Crossfit. Crossfit is crossfit.
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