Just reread CrossFit Journal on Metabolic Conditioning...

[Dave Van Skike]

Originally Posted by Bryan Kemper

Thank you so much for showing me the light.

The program works.

So does Curves. Arguably better.

[Lawrence McDonell]

It's funny when I first got into CF I remember describing it to a friend as good fun even if the people seem to be a bit " We are the way." Having moved on that zealotry seems to have only increased.

[Bryan Kemper]

Originally Posted by Dave Van Skike

So does Curves. Arguably better.

Personal experience?

[Steven Madison]

Originally Posted by Bryan Kemper

Personal experience?

Curves = crossfit?

[Dave Van Skike]

Originally Posted by Bryan Kemper

Personal experience?

Son, should we leave your mom out of it or do you need this to get ugly?

[Justin Z. Smith]

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C..._Matriarch.wmv

Um what.


Justin

[Derek Weaver]

Originally Posted by Bryan Kemper

Thank you so much for showing me the light.

The program works.

Originally Posted by Bryan Kemper

Personal experience?

Originally Posted by Dave Van Skike

Son, should we leave your mom out of it or do you need this to get ugly?

Uh oh, s***'s bout to get real.

I can't speak for everyone else, but my comment a couple pages back still stands. Show some sort of science proving the superiority of constantly varied and random programming, with zero focus except a theoretical endgame of, um, "elite fitness by way of, or because of, or in spite of, GPP. Oh, and also show how rare injuries (Rhabdo, compartment syndrome, SLAP tears) happening because of idiotic programming is advantageous over more conservative programming focusing on actual progressions of fitness qualities.

If you can do so, with at least some sort of scientific evidence not presented falsely by GG, coherently and without whining, I will join your side and tell everyone else to bug off.

Also, if you get the time or are interested, do you mind showing what your improvement was like when you just followed CF? I mean, before you stopped following the program by working 5/3/1, Weightlifting and extra skill work?

Just more anecdotal evidence, but still "when there is no way out, find a way further in."

Kinda scattered, but I got a lot on my mind.

[Derek Weaver]

Originally Posted by Steven Madison

Curves = crossfit?

Ah, didn't see this one. Curves > CF.

Simply because when training to not suck at life, having your arm in a sling after shoulder surgery or being confined to a hospital bed while on dialysis limits awesomeness and increases suck.

[Geoffrey Thompson]

I think there's a very good point there. Curves is not likely to injure you. Not even tendinitis. But definitely not rhabdo. Almost certainly not any sort of muscle tear, especially not rotator cuff (SLAP tear in particular). Absolutely cannot say that about CF. cf Glassman's quote about falling off the rings, breaking your neck.

[Matthew Fried]

Originally Posted by Steven Low

Likewise, I would estimate the actual cases of rhabdo that are never reported are probably at least 3x+ higher than the ones on FB/CF boards..

I agree. I was going to make this point in response to the validity of Andrew's rhabdo count. Bryan Kemper wonders whether or not the count is 'valid'?

Common sense dictates that there are many more cases of rhabdo out there that never get posted. There is no way to tell how many CFers are out there who do NOT use the message boards / facebook, but, it's a lot more than who DO. Visit any affiliate and ask the first 10 or 20 people you see if they ever post anything on the boards.

Andrews count of 107 is well under the actual count, IMO.