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Old 07-21-2011, 07:46 PM   #1811
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Let's not all hop on the USSR sports science train. It worked very well for certain things, but poorly for others. You can look back at the gold medal comparisions throughout the Cold War to see where each sport was dominated.

Let's not forget the essence of it was "take a million athletes, throw them into the machine, and send the champion out to do battle."

This is how China's doing it, by the way. And it is only possible with state-sponsored athletes.

And finally, the sport scientists of the USSR had to produce, or they would not keep their comfortable positions, which means a whole lot of shit was made up to keep the gravy train going. You could even suggest that many of the scientific coaches made their bones off one genetically superior athlete and invented the system of their development afterwards.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:40 PM   #1812
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I really need to start coming to this board more often. I used to be pretty into the whole Crossfit idea, but it's funny how the more you learn the less it makes sense. Especially now days. Trying to figure out what exactly CF is and what does and does not constitute "doing CF" is like trying to hold smoke in your hands.

I also find it interesting how much of a hold it has on people. On the boards there are MANY examples of members (even affiliates) who will readily say that the things GG says are stupid and exaggerated. As well, everyone sees through whole "open source" bullshit these days as it is the most heavily censored website I've ever been to. And yet it remains. Just interesting.

I did want to ask a question about some of the stuff that has been brought up in this thread though. It has been brought up that box jumps cause a lot of achilles problems because of the rebound at the bottom. Does that make jumping rope dangerous? What about sprinting? They do similar types of things to the achilles don't they? Is it the height of the box and the number of repetitions that makes it worse? Also there were posts where tire flips and KB swings caused injuries. Why are these bad movements? Are they bad or did the person just happen to get hurt that day? What if you did KB swings to only eye level instead of overhead? Are they still bad?

Sorry for the barrage of questions. I'm not trying to defend box jumps or anything. I really just want to know for my own knowledge.

Finally, I noticed someone posted pictures of this earlier, but I'm surprised nobody put up the video:
http://pd.crossfit.com/games/video/G...nals_Heart.mov

Apparently irreparable shoulder damage is so functional and elite that it should be celebrated...
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:00 PM   #1813
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Does that make jumping rope dangerous? What about sprinting? They do similar types of things to the achilles don't they? Is it the height of the box and the number of repetitions that makes it worse?
Nope, height of box jump = +24in, height of jump rope/ sprint = 1-2in. Greater fall = greater force = greater shock on stretch shortening cycle within achilles. This + fatigue exercises prior and during wod + excessive reps (more than 40 reps total) (excessive reps = excessive falls/ or excessive impacts for achilles to handle) + achilles not conditioned = achilles rupture.

For more on box jumps check out: http://www.youtube.com/user/doctoryessis#p/a

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Also there were posts where tire flips and KB swings caused injuries. Why are these bad movements? Are they bad or did the person just happen to get hurt that day? What if you did KB swings to only eye level instead of overhead? Are they still bad?
With the tire flip achilles rupture it was probably just a freak injury. I'm not too familiar with the KB, someone could probably better answer, but in the cases with rhabdo there's too much reps coupled with too much of the eccentric muscle action in the down swing, causing too much muscle breakdown, plus the crossfitter being unconditioned to handle that breakdown/too many reps. Same thing with the pull ups, that's why they are all getting rhabdo from pullup wods.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:12 PM   #1814
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On the boards there are MANY examples of members (even affiliates) who will readily say that the things GG says are stupid and exaggerated. As well, everyone sees through whole "open source" bullshit these days as it is the most heavily censored website I've ever been to. And yet it remains. Just interesting.
And the amazing thing too is that they still do it.
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:49 AM   #1815
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Crossfit Rhabdo 208 from Nebraska USA
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:09 AM   #1816
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If you know this guy, you should tell him he needs to go to a hospital:



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Old 07-22-2011, 08:18 AM   #1817
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With all of this talk on the Games site I become more and more frightened about the future of this "sport." There are many individuals in interviews speaking of how a few years down the road their improvements will help them have a shot at the games, younger athletes now have a sport to train for to become a "profession xfit athlete" and other comments that simply strike fear into me like none other.

Where are the lawsuits?? Where are the followers that aren't blinded sheep being tossed into the surmounting pile of sidelined rhabdo, achilles ruptured, slap tear victims? Why is no one doing anything about this absolutely absurd situation?

I think it's safe to say at this point that it would be the most dangerous professional sport organization in the world. I can't even look at that previous sentence and fathom how it would be possible, considering defining what exactly is xfit is still completely arbitrary and entirely dependent upon the feelings of HQ.

AHHH - I don't even want to start about all the interviews talking about how superior the methodology is for anyone and everyone to use. The amount of publicity this aspect is getting just on the games sight alone is sickening.

I could go on for days...but I'll let Andrew fill this thread up with worthy posts in place of my rants.

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Old 07-22-2011, 08:19 AM   #1818
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:58 AM   #1819
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I ran our guys through a very scaled version of "Manion" lastnight. 7 RFT of 10 135lb back squats and 400m run. Everybody was in the 18-22 minute range, which was fine. I asked each of them how gnarly it would have been with 140 more squats.
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:59 AM   #1820
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There is that distinct subpopulation

"Aw, yeah, GG is stupid, CF is dumb. The programming stinks.

When's are we doing the next WOD?!?"
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