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Old 07-26-2011, 07:03 PM   #1931
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I know this is well known by everyone on here, but it just hit me again today and I would like to re-iterate just how COMPLETELY brilliant the idea behind CF is. I mean it really is masterful.

Make CF and say that it is all things that are good about fitness.

Then somewhere along the line slowly change it so that all things that are good about fitness are CF.

A very subtle change, but important. Now EVERYTHING is just a subset of CF. Kettlebells...CF subset. You do a conjugate program with conditioning work at the end? Yeah that's CF. 5-3-1? You guessed it...

Amazing really.
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:39 PM   #1932
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Crossfit Rhabdo 215

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Old 07-26-2011, 08:46 PM   #1933
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I'm glad you posted this because it seems to be the ultimate irony with crossfit claiming to be the world's greatest general physical PREPAREDNESS program. i did crossfit pretty hardcore for more than 2 years. During those 2 years, my level of preparedness (ABILITY TO EXPRESS FITNESS) steadily declined over time to the point where if i wasn't WOD-DING, i had a hard time performing simple daily tasks because i was too sore or too tired or both.

i remember thinking one time after doing something stupid like 30 rounds of 'cindy' that what little i may have gained in 'work capacity' was not worth what I had lost in preparedness. at first this started to affect only level of preparedness right after training, but then it turned into a more chronic condition called ADRENAL FATIGUE SYNDROME. So, the program that aims to improve preparedness in the long run does just the opposite!!
Absolutely profound stuff right there.

Also great find with Mark's response on that blog of the seminar blow-up!
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Old 07-27-2011, 03:04 AM   #1934
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I fucking just don't understand this functional movement shit...
http://youtu.be/0gCyRwaVzdE
Crossfit keeps saying tricep extensions and tricep kickbacks are not "functional movements or applicational to every day living"...
How else am I going to wipe my ass after taking a shit without doing a tricep extension or tricep kickback? THESE ARE FUNCTIONAL MOVEMENTS
Do I just asian squat and monkey scoop with both hands?
Now that I think about it, toilets aren't paleolithic either.
For tricep extension, in martial arts practice, the reverse hammer fist is quite important. Like what is shown in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7nkKJnwfK8

In practice, I must do several dozen of these a day.

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Old 07-27-2011, 07:25 AM   #1935
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200 pages, 2000 posts and more than 280.000 views! Doing a wonderfull job andrew!
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:55 AM   #1936
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Thanks! Crazy!

Today's wod
Three rounds for time of:
Run 800 meters
Rest 2 minutes

This is going to be interesting to watch. I've talked about the 800 a few times here, and if its run maximally with only a 2 minute rest (which is not enough to recovery 100%) very very very few people are capable of maintaining 1-2 second difference between all three, being the massive lactic/pyruvate pain/accumulation and reaching VO2 max; you have to have an incredibly high VO2max and lactate/ pyruvate tolerance to be able to put those numbers up and remain that consistant. If they do, they should have a VO2max in the 70s, and if they had that, they'd be running a sub 2' 800, and none of them are going to do that. So if you'll see anyone's times exactly the same, or in a tight bubble, its an unrealistic number and the distance isn't right.
The world record is 1'41" by David Rudisha with the 400s being run at 49" and 52", PB 400 45"5, performance predictor puts the 5k at around 13' and mile at low 4'... I'll look up his numbers.

How the VO2max evolves in the 800, New Studies in Athletics 2002:



A typical off the couch exerciser with a 45 ml/kg/min and a low lactate/ pyruvate threshold will run a max 800 at around 3'. This usually predicts a 7' mile. By comparison Seb Coe's VO2max was 77-80 ml/kg/min with an 800 WR of 1'41", mile of 3'47", 5000 14'06". Don't know his lactate/ pyruvated acid tolerance level, but it has to be just as high being the 800 numbers the highest amount of lactate acid ever recorded in any sport.
The American Olympic Trials "A" standard in the 800 is 1'46", "B" standard 1'48".
The performance standards for the Youth Outdoor T&F are:
7-8 year olds 3'26" **
9-10 year olds 2'41"
11-12 year olds 2'29"
13-14 year olds 2'12"
15-16 year olds 2'05"
17-18 year olds 2'02"

I'm predicting that because these Crossfitters do not run more than 2 miles a week, nor intervals that target the lactic/pyruvate acid threshold, and have inconsistant circuit training sessions at that lactic threshold that are not constant enough to develop a sturdy training effect.

By comparison, in the 70s and 80s an UK and USA TV show tested half miles from some of the top athletes in their country, this is how they performed:

Brian Budd soccer, 1979, 1'57"36
Scott Tinley triathlon, 1987, 2'04"76
Karch Kiraly volley, 1985, 2'06"56
Peter Mueller speed skating, 1981. 2'08"33
Evander Holyfield boxing, 1989, 2'09"88
Ard Schenk speed skating, 1974, 2'14"95
Karl Schranz skiing, 1974, 2'16"0
Dan Gable wrestling, 1974, 2'16"00
Dusty Dvorak volley, 1986, 2'18"10
Stan Smith tennis, 1974, 2'19"00
Ray Mancini boxing, 1984, 2'19"41
Wayne Grimditch watersking, 1978, 2'19"85
Kyle Rote Jr. soccer, 1975, 2'20"90
Jean-C Killy skiing, 1973, 2'35"0
Tim Witherspoon boxing, 1986, 2'36"22
Alexis Argeullo boxing, 1985, 2'49"46
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:13 AM   #1937
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Thanks! Crazy!

Today's wod
Three rounds for time of:
Run 800 meters
Rest 2 minutes

This is going to be interesting to watch. I've talked about the 800 a few times here, and if its run maximally with only a 2 minute rest (which is not enough to recovery 100%) very very very few people are capable of maintaining 1-2 second difference between all three, being the massive lactic/pyruvate pain/accumulation and reaching VO2 max; you have to have an incredibly high VO2max and lactate/ pyruvate tolerance to be able to put those numbers up and remain that consistant. If they do, they should have a VO2max in the 70s, and if they had that, they'd be running a sub 2' 800, and none of them are going to do that. So if you'll see anyone's times exactly the same, or in a tight bubble, its an unrealistic number and the distance isn't right.
After a quick perusal:

3:23
3:18
3:31
Barefoot
Comment #35 - Posted by: TomO/44/M/200 at July 27, 2011 1:40 AM

3:12
3:36
3:45
Comment #36 - Posted by: Matt at July 27, 2011 2:05 AM

3:24
3:18
3:17
Comment #37 - Posted by: Matti K at July 27, 2011 2:16 AM

3:03
3:12
3:18
Comment #38 - Posted by: JD at July 27, 2011 2:32 AM

2:50
2:54
2:58
Comment #39 - Posted by: charbs 195/m/26 at July 27, 2011 2:57 AM

3:00 3:03 3:10
Comment #40 - Posted by: cosmo at July 27, 2011 3:03 AM

M/25/160
Rnd 1: 2:41
Rnd 2: 2:41
Rnd 3: 2:41
Great WOD, I needed a good run.
Comment #41 - Posted by: Mal Martinez at July 27, 2011 3:12 AM


m/42/6'0"/187
3:35
3:23
3:42
wow, much slower than I thought....
m/49/5'7"/150
3:42
3:41
3;37
great run... hilly terrain
M/22/5'10"/160
2:34
2:36
2:37
WOD times
3.25.66
3.24.74
3.22.68
(on a track)
I was still sore from yesterday's WOD.

3:26
3:30
3:36
Comment #63 - Posted by: gb 43/m/71"/185# at July 27, 2011 6:21 AM

3:09
3:10
3:12
Man, Im sore!
Comment #64 - Posted by: tanzenfranz . M/27/188kg/92cm at July 27, 2011
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:58 AM   #1938
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Thanks! Crazy!

Today's wod
Three rounds for time of:
Run 800 meters
Rest 2 minutes
By comparison, in the 70s and 80s an UK and USA TV show tested half miles from some of the top athletes in their country, this is how they performed:

Brian Budd soccer, 1979, 1'57"36
Scott Tinley triathlon, 1987, 2'04"76
Karch Kiraly volley, 1985, 2'06"56
Peter Mueller speed skating, 1981. 2'08"33
Evander Holyfield boxing, 1989, 2'09"88
Ard Schenk speed skating, 1974, 2'14"95
Karl Schranz skiing, 1974, 2'16"0
Dan Gable wrestling, 1974, 2'16"00
Dusty Dvorak volley, 1986, 2'18"10
Stan Smith tennis, 1974, 2'19"00
Ray Mancini boxing, 1984, 2'19"41
Wayne Grimditch watersking, 1978, 2'19"85
Kyle Rote Jr. soccer, 1975, 2'20"90
Jean-C Killy skiing, 1973, 2'35"0
Tim Witherspoon boxing, 1986, 2'36"22
Alexis Argeullo boxing, 1985, 2'49"46
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this is a great post.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:09 AM   #1939
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Honestly, though, I think that's a pretty decent workout. It's the sort of thing I'd include as kind of a light conditioning day, say if somebody were strength training on MWF and wanted to do something on Saturday just to make sure he can still move or something. Maybe 5x800 instead of 3x800 (or not) and of course an understanding that the 800 isn't maximal.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:57 AM   #1940
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