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Old 09-08-2011, 09:10 AM   #2731
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Altitude training and training with a snorkel was talked about a few times in the 8weeksout forum.

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Unread postby lylemcd Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:26 pm
Not only would that not help, it would probably hurt. There are a few high-tech ways to mimick altitude but you won't have access to them unless you have a lot of cash. And the better approach generally is to live at altitude and train at sea level (so that training intensity doesn't suffer) Ideally, get to Denver 3 weeks before the match b/c it takes that long to accomadate even partially to altitude. If you can't do that, you're just going to have to suck wind.
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I'll read through this article, but generally speaking living high and training low has been shown to have some benefits, but simply training high isn't going to do anything beneficial for you unless you are actually competing at altitude. The whole thing with the snorkel would have no effects as far as increasing red blood cell count or any of the those types of altitude adaptations, the only thing I could possibly see is maybe the restricted breathing would train the breathing muscles to be stronger but I'd have to look more at the research to see if that is possible or not. You have to remember though that the breathing muscles can be oxidative or glycolytic as well and just blindly training them at high heart rates would tend to make them more glycolytic not oxidative like you'd want in a sport like MMA.

I'll post a very interesting article when I can find it that discusses the role of the respiratory muscles in energy production. It's estimated they can contribute as much as 15% of the power output. I'll see if I can find it and post it in here.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:52 AM   #2732
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Yeah those are good posts.

The point of the train low, sleep high thing is that you are able to perform well during your workouts but when you are in recovery mode, you stimulate your body to produce more RBC.

I remember from watching Bigger Stronger Faster that's what Floyd Landis did. He trained at low altitude and built his own hyperbaric chamber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYok77mMCk

He originally claimed that's why his T/E level was so out of whack, but it eventually turned out he was doping anyway. So who knows how much his chamber helped.

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SHANE! When did you get so smart? Hahahaha. Nice!
Thanks Shaf. I did a 100 miler at 9000 feet a couple months ago and researched a lot about how to train for it since I live in NYC (sea level). Ultimately I didn't do much differently, just focused on developing strong aerobic system; in-race I slightly overhydrated and had to slow down at certain points to prevent head throbbing but it wasn't a big deal. I think once you get over 14,000 feet is where it really becomes a problem, and there's only like 3 races in the US where that's a factor (Hardrock 100, Leadville 100, and Pikes Peak marathon).

Definitely would not have trained with a gas mask. And probably would not have wanted to pay the cash for a regulator mask or hyperbaric chamber for such a small improvement in performance.

All this little stuff only really makes a difference when you are an elite athlete.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:22 AM   #2733
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Whoa! Stop the clock! You mean you finished a 100 mile race? No DNF?

That's some serious and impressive stuff. Kudos.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:47 AM   #2734
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All this little stuff only really makes a difference when you are an elite athlete.
So that means there's going to be a rush on Hyberbaric chambers by crossfiteers.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:49 AM   #2735
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All this little stuff only really makes a difference when you are an elite athlete.
Which is why it's such an appropriate tool for those crossfitters.
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:07 AM   #2736
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A chamber is only a little bit more expensive than the Rogue Elite Monolift (tm)
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:25 PM   #2737
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Thanks Shaf. I did a 100 miler at 9000 feet a couple months ago and researched a lot about how to train for it since I live in NYC (sea level).
Oh yeah. But what's your Fran time?






















Oh its 2:29.


WOW I didn't know that was at 9,000.
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:42 PM   #2738
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It would be ironic (but par for the course) if CFers started with hyperbaric chambers, as those INCREASE the pressure within the chamber, simulating below sealevel conditions.

HYPObaric chambers, on the other hand...


And thanks for the schooling on gas-mask training. FWIW it wouldn't carry over to firefighters very well either as our SCBAs are positive pressure.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:02 PM   #2739
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Good catch, it's hypobaric not hyper.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:25 PM   #2740
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