Just reread CrossFit Journal on Metabolic Conditioning...

[Brian DeGennaro]

I finish reading this thread and when I click out you post again... bravo!

Oh and POSE is a load of crap.

[Matthew Fried]

Originally Posted by Ryan Grady

how the hell do you know when the damage is bad enough to require surgery? with some advil and a tight under armor shirt, i can get through a wod going doing presses overhead and kipping pullups and even HSPUs...

I don't know man, even when I was completely over the legal limit on CF Kool-Aid, I still never would have thought to try OHS, HSPUs, or kipping pull-ups with shoulder pain at the same time.

I think I'm going to add some stitching onto the back of my CF t-shirt.

"I made it out in one piece"

Carry on, Andrew ...

[Darla Powell]

Originally Posted by Matthew Fried

I don't know man, even when I was completely over the legal limit on CF Kool-Aid, I still never would have thought to try OHS, HSPUs, or kipping pull-ups with shoulder pain at the same time.

I think I'm going to add some stitching onto the back of my CF t-shirt.

"I made it out in one piece"

Carry on, Andrew ...

I love it. Me too!

[Matt Reilly]

Originally Posted by Brian DeGennaro

I finish reading this thread and when I click out you post again... bravo!

Oh and POSE is a load of crap.

Why is that?

[Geoffrey Thompson]

Originally Posted by Matt Reilly

Why is that?

This is a truth divined through competition, not debate. Namely, competitors don't POSE. If you want a long explanation, here's a thread: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_re...1468037&page=0

[James Evans]

All that endurance stuff just depresses me, I looked at this in another thread. 20.30 5k? I've run that detrained and I'm a shitty runner (see tales of me having my arse kicked in previous endurance threads). Admittedly I felt like I was going to die...

And I hope that comment about Kenyans was plain old trolling.

The assertion that the CF method is better than everything else is just grating. I don't hate CF, I just dislike the attitude.

Here's something from a while back that really pissed me off. A guy from a rowing club posted on the CF community board to see if any local crossfitters were interested in having a go at rowing. So the various quislings asked if he meant he' was offering/proposing a rowing cert.

No you fucking retards he doesn't mean that, he means does anyone want to have a go at rowing. Learn and play new sports. Crossfitters are very good on a C2 because it's a major tool in the box but the bragging about dominating indoor events is meaningless, get in a boat and prove what you can do. Maybe you'll enjoy it. This guy was clearly looking to recruit a bit of local athletic talent and running some advertising through the board but they just didn't get it.

It's like some remedial scout movement with everyone thinking of certs like badges:

Well Brown Owl I've got my Endurance badge, I've got my Westside badge, I've got my Striking badge, I've got my Slap Tear badge, I've got my Empirical Arrogance badge and I've got my Total Clusterfuck badge. Totally bummed I missed out on the Buddy Lee fireside singalong though because I can't call myself truly elite. But hey, Brown Owl, you defined the 10 principles of scouting and told us to toast marshmallows on our own terms so ain't nobody toasting marshmallows better than us.

Use it if you need to but be wary of that potency of the medicine. Go and do other things. Compete with others in their arenas. Triumph and then claim eliteness.

Anyway, carry on....

[Wayne Riddle]

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Thompson

This is a truth divined through competition, not debate. Namely, competitors don't POSE. If you want a long explanation, here's a thread: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_re...1468037&page=0

Seems mixed tome in going through that thread. Some people like, some don't. Some people probably say they are doing POSE but aren't, some say they aren't but are.

[Júlíus G. Magnússon]

Originally Posted by James Evans

Well Brown Owl I've got my Endurance badge, I've got my Westside badge, I've got my Striking badge, I've got my Slap Tear badge, I've got my Empirical Arrogance badge and I've got my Total Clusterfuck badge. Totally bummed I missed out on the Buddy Lee fireside singalong though because I can't call myself truly elite. But hey, Brown Owl, you defined the 10 principles of scouting and told us to toast marshmallows on our own terms so ain't nobody toasting marshmallows better than us.

Brilliant.

[Geoffrey Thompson]

Originally Posted by Wayne Riddle

Seems mixed tome in going through that thread. Some people like, some don't. Some people probably say they are doing POSE but aren't, some say they aren't but are.

Okay, then you missed it. If somebody says they aren't, they aren't. You're missing what makes POSE POSE and what makes other running other running, just like some CrossFitters who don't get the difference between good cross training and CrossFit(TM). Which is fine, but it can be a subtle point.

EDIT: Asterix's reply on the very first page is a good way to start and the second page, 'ted! has a good reply.

[Brian DeGennaro]

The reason POSE is a bunch of crap is because you still need to apply force while you run. The only good contribution that POSE has done is get average and mediocre runners to focus on their next step instead of "over" striding, which is what anyone who was taught to run properly does. However, the oversimplified notion that gravity and turnover is what is driving you is just idiotic to me.

I have read several books on POSE and Chi running; I have talked to coaches, including my HS coach (guys who produced All-Americans and National level athletes), and they never heard of these concepts nor have they ever used them. The only thing they've had to say is they look like okay runners. Not good, not great, but okay, and I agreed with those statements before they were even made. The other observation made is people look like they run with a stick up their ass (they tend to be too stiff and forced).

The people who promote POSE, promote it the same way as CF: every really good runner does POSE, whether they admit it or not.

EDIT: I just now read Geoffrey's post and that thread after typing this one up. It appears others share the same opinion as well!