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Old 02-18-2011, 02:43 PM   #921
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What is

"workcapacity across broad time and modal domains" ?
In my understanding and application, (very wordy, run-on version)..... the ability to be proficient at a large number of physical tasks ranging from short/fast workouts to long duration workouts that include movements ranging from bodyweight exercises, barbell/kettlebell lifts, moving one's body (running, rowing, etc), controlling one's body.

or a variety of exercises for varying amounts of time. 1RM Deadlift vs Fran vs Murph vs 5K row.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:25 PM   #922
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I agree with Steve here.

The Barry Ross thread we had on DL use for sprinting is here:

http://www.performancemenu.com/forum...read.php?t=106

With the article here:

http://old.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/ar...&articleid=269

I know Scott Kustes has very good results with deadlift + plyo integrated with running. I would expect similar results with most people. DL is great for T&F.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:10 PM   #923
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In my understanding and application, (very wordy, run-on version)..... the ability to be proficient at a large number of physical tasks ranging from short/fast workouts to long duration workouts that include movements ranging from bodyweight exercises, barbell/kettlebell lifts, moving one's body (running, rowing, etc), controlling one's body.

or a variety of exercises for varying amounts of time. 1RM Deadlift vs Fran vs Murph vs 5K row.
This is a pretty good summary of what the broad time and modal domain may mean.

It's too bad it's pointless in the context of CF programming.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:24 PM   #924
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Pfft, mouse traps don't even hurt. Bunch of wimps.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:47 PM   #925
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Yeah I think you guys are right on that. I'm talking to this decathlete I mentioned earlier, he's deadlifting mid500 and running sub 4:35 mile, with a lot of depths and bounds. Motivating.

edit: & power cleaning 130kg
2nd edit: sub 4:35 mile
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:49 PM   #926
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By the way, Roman Sebrle setting the WR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0iNamrYAVA
these guys are a different level of athletes
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:32 PM   #927
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RFD for sprinting = too different than RFD of anything lifting to be meaningful.

I didn't want to bring up Barry Ross because he basically has been fortunate in being in the right place at the right time with his athletes. Francis' work, and those of that ilk is certainly worth looking at

If you're interested, Andrew, you might find Bondarchuk's work "Transfer of Training in Sport, Vol 1" to be interesting, if somewhat esoteric. He compares a lot of lifts and other activities with performance across a broad variety of athletics. I've heard Vol 2 is more focused.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:14 PM   #928
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If you're interested, Andrew, you might find Bondarchuk's work "Transfer of Training in Sport, Vol 1" to be interesting, if somewhat esoteric. He compares a lot of lifts and other activities with performance across a broad variety of athletics. I've heard Vol 2 is more focused.
Definitely! Thanks for the recomend
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Old 02-19-2011, 05:52 AM   #929
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Rhabdo Count 103

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I posted back in April - I was hospitalized for 4 days after Easter due to Rhabdo. It started 2 days after my workout with extreme soreness (couldn't lift my arms normally) and as another 24 hours passed the arms were both swollen to double their size. I've never had issues before, and I've done hard workouts. I'm not new to crossfit. I'm a 27-year-old female.

So ... I've been slowly working up to my old workouts, and here I am again, having extreme soreness in my arms, and I'm very concerned this is going to repeat itself. Is there anything to do besides drowning myself in water if I suspect that something may happen again? What's done is done, but I do not want to end up in the ER a second time. They've been investigating my muscles for a metabolic dysfunction but I've had no news yet. My sports doctor basically said, try to keep active, just don't push it. But I cannot live my life laying around like a vegetable. Any thoughts?? Please help!
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Kelly, are you doing negatives (eccentric contractions) on pullups or jumping pullups, ie lowering yourself slowly or slower then the ascent phase?

I had a client with Rhabdo a little while back, his specialist (who was experienced with Rhabdo cases) advised that he may be at risk for up to 3 months during the repair phase. We are specifically avoiding any activities that mimic those that were in the workout that did the damage. In his case, we are avoiding pullups entirely untill he is fully recovered.

Based on the research, discussions and investigations that I did after this incident I am convinced that high rep negatives (eccentric contraction)particularly with pullups is a major risk factor.

Are you doing anything in the workouts that have high rep eccentric contractions?
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I did 3 rounds of this workout: 50 incline situps, 40 thrusters (only with 10 lb dbs in each hand) and then 20 body pulls. I felt like sh*t when I was done. And in the past, this sort of workout wouldn't have done anything but maybe make me a bit tired. And I would have used more than 10lb db's for the thrusters. So ... I guess there is eccentric work here but I'm not focusing on making it that, it's just the normal lifting and lowering movement. My arms are slightly less sore today, so I don't think it's going to go into full blown swelling like what started the rhabdo last time, but I'm really wondering what is going on.
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Yes you get rhabdo more than once! I have had two bad cases. First time in hospital 5days & left with Cpk levels over 33,000. My primary doc was not happy with, he did not treat me. Second time I was in hospital 6 days. I have done a ton of research on rhabdo. Some say get your vit D levels checked for defiency. Mine was 30 on a range of 25-100. They would like it to be @ 50 & prefer 70. But something genetically can make you prone to rhabdo. CPT2 or CPD is linked to it. It's a carnetine deficiency. As for me I am a workout nut& former figure competitor. So no stranger to hard workouts. I was shocked to experience this twice. I have since stopped ALL eccentric loading exercises & supplement with Vit D,magnesium & calcium. I have not been tested for CPT2 deficiency yet but that will be next step.I will mention both times I got rhabdo, part of my workout consisted of over 100 pull ups. I no longer do anything that targets my lats as I got comparemtslized syndrome in those areas with the rhabdo. Symptoms varied both times. Please let me know if anyone has specific questions I would love to help anyone I can!
Rhabdo Count 105

Not counting Kelly, this is the third, double case of rhabdo that I've run across, all re-aggravated and originally caused by CrossFit.


The interesting thing about stumbling on this is, is when I first was searching for how many cases there were on their messageboards, I was thinking there would only be about 16 and it would take 10 minutes to get screen shots of them all. When I got to 39 and three hours in, I knew it was going to get big. When I hit 93 cases a week later, the CrossFit messageboard search engine was maxed at 500 threads. There very well could be another 60 threads like this I missed because the search engine was maxed out.
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Old 02-19-2011, 05:56 AM   #930
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You are truly the Fitness Messiah. Keep up the awesome google-fu work.
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