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Old 03-17-2011, 10:28 AM   #11
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[quote=Dirk Wilcke;88280]You are assuming that somebody has the judgement to go by feel and find appropriate weights which will allow him to progress (in the long term) if you prescribe "go by feel" [b]and offer no guidance on percentages or long term progression but that this same person does not have the judgement to go by feel in adjusting percentages/reps/sets of a program downward (or upward) on a given day if he notices that adhering to the percentages would not make a lot of sense?[quote]

Isn't this going by feel?

What is your program for the OP based on his available training time and his goals?
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Old 03-17-2011, 11:27 AM   #12
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My 2 cents

Drop conditioning

3x a week for training pick 2-3 compound lifts and go for 3x5 and increase it weekly when you get all 5 reps. At the start of each workout pick either snatch or clean and jerk and work on form and hitting sets of 2-3 until your bored. When your confident add more weight. Simple huh?
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Old 03-17-2011, 12:41 PM   #13
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My 2 cents

Drop conditioning

3x a week for training pick 2-3 compound lifts and go for 3x5 and increase it weekly when you get all 5 reps. At the start of each workout pick either snatch or clean and jerk and work on form and hitting sets of 2-3 until your bored. When your confident add more weight. Simple huh?
I think this is a pretty good plan that most people on a message board would agree with. 2-3 compounds lifts, 3 sets of 5 reps, adding weight weekly is a very good way to build broad strength.

Most people think the way to snatch or C&J more is to get stronger and the best way to get stronger is to do compound movements, 3x5, adding weight when all reps are completed. Along these lines are the ideal "the lifts" are based on technique. So, practice the technique, "doubles on the lifts" done first, then build broad strength with compound lifts.

This approach "assumes" strength in the compound lifts (deadlift, back squat, bench press, press) is 100% transferable to the snatch and clean jerk. It is not. A heavy snatch feels and moves much different then either a heavy deadlift or a light snatch. Also, just snatching heavy, clean and jerking heavy, for most workouts will get people very strong on their own.


Way too many people read Starting Strength, Practical Programming, 5/3/1 or any other powerlifting based programs and since weightlifting involves a barbell too, they think these programs are applicable to weightlifting. You can apply them to weightlifting, but again, the best exercise for the snatch is the snatch. The best exercised for the clean and jerk is the clean and jerk.

When someone, as the OP did, expresses an interest in a simple plan to improve "the lifts", they need to hear "prioritize doing the lifts, frequently, and heavy".
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:45 PM   #14
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And people spend too much time analyzing on the Internet instead of being in the gym and lifting.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:09 PM   #15
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And people spend too much time analyzing on the Internet instead of being in the gym and lifting.
YES!!! This is the best comment on this thread!!! The best way to get to your goals is to get in the gym and actually lift some weights instead of just thinking about it...
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