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Old 03-18-2007, 02:42 PM   #11
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I've done 20 reps(consecutive) of my BW OHS at 67.5kg. I was 67kg at the time I am now 71kg.
Haven't tried it again, my focus is elsewhere but at the approx same time we (friends) often did 100 consecutive (no put downs) KB swings with the 32kg for time. As well as many 5min 24kg KB Snatch tests.

Re: Transfer
Not really sure as I didn't approach it in such an analytical way as yourself but I am still seeing steady gains in my Squats however my Dead Lift atm has stopped at 160kg(raw).

For the record I agree with Pierre.

But in the end work towards something or don't work towards something just make sure your doing something at sometime.

If you believe its elite, good for you it’s just a word, if you don't and elite is important to you then replace it with something that is.

You could always just go and compete in a well-organized sport at an elite level.
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:53 PM   #12
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Post hoc congrats, Andrew! Did you do some sort of OHS training back then, or did you just try it and could do it?
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:00 PM   #13
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Peter,
here I am in agreement with you and I can see that we can be content in disagreeing. The only other person I can verify as having done this is myself. I don't do much for high-rep overhead squats other than what comes up in the WOD's which I don't do the WOD's from the main page. At least not in order. I use them when it fits the schedule used here at the gym. So I don't do much. I do heavy OHS when I train the Olifts or when I'm doing Snatch Balances or Snatches.

I have seen transfer into other avenues of lifting but I would say more directly into my snatch than my deadlift but that should be obvious! I don't really do any considerable deadlifting these days, maybe once a month but I can deadlift double bodyweight most any day of the week unless I am extremely fatigued.

My point is simply that Elitism has to be taken into context, I also don't think that 15 BW OHS is Elite by any means but it is certainly worth mentioning. Though I would suggest only in an ass to grass manner. Your flexibility issues give you one of two things in my opinion: an excuse to do it poorly or a good excuse to do it within your limits. Since I don't personally know you and can't judge in person my intent isn't to insult either I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you have a legit reason for doing it within your limits.

I'm no super athlete myself, frankly I'm poor at a great deal of things: for instance my jerk is crap! but I'm working on it.

Anyhow I apologize for degrading this conversation into a pissing match which was not my intention and I know it wasn't yours. What I'll say is this, as for transfer I truly believe that overhead squats translate well into just about anything that involves transfering force from the ground through your legs into an external object. That has been my experience.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:17 PM   #14
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Thanks Pierre!
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Old 03-18-2007, 06:00 PM   #15
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The whole point of the Crossfit north standards is not that any one of those feats is elite, but that someone who can do all of the elite standards is elite. So to be considered elite, you would have to do the 15 OHS in addition to rowing 6k in 20 minutes, deadlifting 2.5 bwt, doing 40 deadhang pullups, 15 muscleups, running a 5 minute mile, and much more. It is only elite in the context of all of the other feats. Peter, you seem to have thought that the feat is considered elite in and of itself. It's not.
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Old 03-18-2007, 06:08 PM   #16
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Not in terms of specific OHS training I was on CrossFit WODs and extra KB work for TSC prep.That did include a lot of one arm OHS.
In truth at my light BW and endurance background, I didn't feel such volume based things are that impressive. Ias yet have not achieved a double BW OHS and this would be of more value to me.

Re: The Why
We were just into challenages so volume seemed logical,eg 100 swings,50 Long Cycle Double KB C&J,100 snatches
Although I do feel that most challenages as such are important to go through now and again I do believe they have a heavy mental component.
For Example when doing the OHS I would pause for 3 breathes in top position before each rep after the 10 mark.I just had to grit it out so to speak.

I feel the same way bout the Snatch test,you will lose some skin so tough it out.To train for it would I would not embark on constant 10 min or 5min sessions of snatches.
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Old 03-18-2007, 06:22 PM   #17
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Hi Ross,

believe it or not, but unfortunately I cannot go much deeper. Lack of squatting-flexibility in ankles, knees and hips (due to an trashed back from an accident when I was sixteen, which took its toll), but I am working on it. The back among other things is also the reason my deadlift is very modest.

My overhead strenght before starting training for this 'elite' feat was soso, could do a triple OHS with bodyweight which was DIFFICULT, meaning a max. I pressed the 40kg bell on several occasions for a single.

I check you log on P&B on occassion and based on your stats I would say that If you wanted to train for it you would certainly not need 3 months, as I did, to get it done. Your a stronger, much younger and much better lifter than I am.

Pierre, no offense but your a funny guy! Nobody does 15 OHS without some sort of OHS training, be it for max singles or strenght endurance or whatever. If your definition of elite (If I understood you correctly (maybe I am really confused) you have to be able to do it without training for it) were true, there were no elite lifters, runners etc around. Because all of the true elite feats require years of dedicated training and probably very special genetics, sort of one of a kind...

If this still isn't clear, I am an intermediate level (at best) lifter who may or may not switch to the advanced level this (or next) year---more likely not. I am relatively old (43) and started lifting around 3 and a half year ago. I have to do it on my own, unfortunately I have no coach.

15 OHS is nowhere near elite IMO, and neither makes training the OHS for three month make me a professional overhead squatter, nor do I intend to train the OHS exclusively for the rest of my life, hoping that it will do good for me. But I keep using what works for as long at it works which is in my opinion something reasonable to do.
Thanks for the kind words.

The back explains the depth and deadlift; good luck working around that.

Going from 3-15 reps that quickly is impressive. Right now I probably OHSQ bodyweight for about a triple myself right now...


I need a pull a heavy DL for the hell of it sometime soon. It's been a while, and I bet it's gone up quite a bit. Carryover from oly lifts to dead is good--at least when you're tall and skinny.
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Old 03-18-2007, 06:35 PM   #18
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Peter either way its a pretty cool thing you did! I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way, I sometimes do that and its not my intention!
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:11 AM   #19
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Thanks Pierre and no need to apologize (my OHS form is horrible)
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Old 03-24-2007, 12:56 AM   #20
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I will close this thread with one last post, so to whom it may concern...

Over the course of the last days I tested several non-skill lifts which I have not done for months. Below you find my sorta max before and after finishing this modified John Bott squat rehabilitation program focusing on OHS:

Magnitude of transfer:

Lift: old new increase
Deadlift: 140.0kg 152.5kg 8.9%
Partial Deadlift (600mm): 226.0kg 240.0kg 6.2%
Zerchersquat: 110.0kg 120.0kg 9.1%
Situps: 64kg 72kg 12.5%

Well, when I started this experiment I did expect to loose quite a bit of strength but to my surprise moderate weights/high volume did work very well for me. I make no claims that this will work for everybody and my explanation is that I am probably so weak that strenght endurance training does increase my max strength while an elite lifter might experience the exact opposite. Closing I would say that in terms of rate of return this was the most productive routine I ever tried. Lifting well below 62.5kg most of the time and increasing my partial deadlift ~6% is something which is still beyond me but I will take that incease happily.
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