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Old 10-19-2006, 11:37 AM   #11
Eva Claire Synkowski
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not that im greg, but issue 16 (may 2006) has stretches (not all focused on hamstrings) and if i remember correctly, issue 3 has a few different ones, too
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:30 PM   #12
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Thanks for the advice. I already have the PM with Greg's stretching piece, I'll dig it out and get back on it. Until then I guess it's no loaded OLs.

Chris, Eva - are you avoding OL completely till your flexibility is in place?
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Old 10-19-2006, 02:29 PM   #13
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Olympic lifting is a long way off for me. Right now I'm just taking it easy and stretching a lot. Once I'm feeling pretty good with my unladen squat (maybe another month), I will start doing light back squats.
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Old 10-19-2006, 04:18 PM   #14
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right now, i just crossfit, so ME oly days fairly non existent. i tailor wods to be relatively short, and stay away from those movements which i can't execute with good form at high intensity (i.e., high rep snatches at some intermediate load with poor form = back ipain). ill work ohead sqs, snatches with PVC/training bar into the warm up, do a wod with things i can do full rom (which may include hang power cleans/snatches), and then stretch the hamstrings.

its worth backing off oly lifts if youre doing them with poor form. once you have the flexibility, youll regain your strength (and likely surpass it) relatively quickly.
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Old 10-22-2006, 02:07 PM   #15
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Here is that link:
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:27 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Greg Everett View Post
Just a few more days... Until then, here's one of my favorites: Lie on your back, preferably with some kind of lumbar support to maintain your lordotic arch. Pull one knee to your chest without allowing your hips to rotate AT ALL. Hang out with the knee to your chest for a little while, fighting that pelvic rotation. Once you've loosened up a bit in that position, begin trying to straighten that leg without changing your knee and pelvis positions -- you may not be able to straighten it very much at all, but that's fine. Hold that, making sure that pelvis is static, for 20-60 seconds.
Do you guys ever work this or any of your other stretching with Jumpstretch/Ironwoody Bands?

A guy I knew in college, who got me into most of this crazy fringe fitness stuff, would have us do this stretch with a band looped around the ankle, tractioning the hamstring fuller into stretch, doing PNF stuff. The band makes it easier to work flexibility in-between a straight ham stretch and a way-out-to-the-side groin stretch: Full 360 degrees.
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:50 AM   #17
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Article on band-assisted stretching:

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Old 11-22-2006, 01:37 PM   #18
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with self stretching, bands can be helpful in cases when present flexibility doesn't allow you to reach whatever part of your body you need to grab--but a piece of 1" nylon webbing tied in a loop is a lot cheaper and will transfer whatever force you place on it to whatever it's attached to instead of stretching.
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:29 PM   #19
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Cool. Thanks.
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Old 01-08-2007, 09:13 AM   #20
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Default Hamstring stretches and stretching in general...


this is my first post on the Performance Menu Forum. I noticed that some people have requested information about hamstring stretches and stretching in general, so I will give a little advice from my non-expert point of view. I do own around 30 books on the topic of stretching and tried practically all systems available in print or other media and in my humble opinion one of the best books ever written on the topic is “Stretching and Flexibility” from Kit Laughlin. If I had to recommend just one book it would be this. It is organised in lessons similar to the courses the group around Kit Laughlin teaches and has arguably the most detailed explanations of stretches I have seen and a serious no nonsense approach which is relatively easy to follow and highly effective once used on a regular basis.

The group around Kit Laughlin developed a technique which they call pre-exhaust stretching, which is somewhat similar to what Pavel T. refers to as threshold shutdown threshold isometric stretching, although the former is dynamical while the latter is isometric (and there is a similar original PNF technique, see below…), but much better explained and probably safer as well (one can seriously injure oneself doing PNF limit stretches---I was there…).

A nice little pdf detailing the technique and showing exemplarily how one can stretch the hamstrings with this approach can be found here:


Whoever tries this take care, this not an official element of the ‘Laughlin school’ but still in an experimental state. Of course a similar technique can be found in the original PNF handbooks, but PNF after the textbook requires a educated practitioner and BTW is much more than mere stretching…

With respect to band stretches, some years ago I did a medline research and found this little article where bands were used with elite athletes to increase flexibility dramatically, at least in the context of these female gymnasts who had years of flexibility training under their belt:


I tried this and it works but requires precision in your dynamic/ballistic leg swings.

Lastly in my opinion it is ‘mission critical’ if you are interested in real progress to understand that there are different kinds of stretching:

#1 Stretching to achieve the full status quo ROM, what one can/should do practically every day.
#2 Stretching to feel good and
#2 stretching to increase the status quo ROM.

The latter I would do no more than once or twice a week as you have to recover fully before you can go on. It may be different for others but that’s my experience. I know that there is a school among contortionist where practitioners stretch one muscle/muscle group for 10-15 or even 30 continuous minutes every day (for example Tige Young: http://www.tigeyoung.com/stretching ) but for the average human being this will not work but lead to injury in the long term (IMHO) which in the context of stretching always means complete loss of the gained flexibility. I was able to do full side and straddle splits two decades ago when I pulled my right hamstring while doing a PNF limit stretch, well after that I lost most of my hamstring flexibility and was never able to fully regain the old flexibility (scars don’t stretch well), so take care…
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