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03-25-2007, 08:30 PM
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Fast-5 and Post Workout Protein
Robb and any other informed persons:
I've recently read the Ebook the "Fast 5" and was wondering how a post workout protein shake, etc would affect the intended results of a fast of this sort. Sorry if I haven't given enough details for others. The book advocates fasting for a 19 hour period. I know Robb has said some positive things about plans of this nature and was looking for a little guidance.
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03-25-2007, 08:38 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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This all falls under intermittant fasting.
IIRC, this is the PMenu party line on it: I could have some details wrong.
Concern: Maximal Fat loss
Train in fasted state. Remain in fasted state for a few hours after training.
Concern: Muscle retention/fat loss
Train in fasted state. Utilize an intelligent "paleo" post workout meal
Concern: Muscle retention&gain/slower fat loss
Break fast prior to training, ~1 hour, with small protein meal (some carbs ok, some fat ok). Post-workout insulin spike with protein and carbs.
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03-26-2007, 01:36 AM
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Location: Stockholm
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Good summary Steve. I was wondering about spiking insulin in the "Concern: Muscle retention&gain/slower fat loss" category. Is it necessary?
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03-26-2007, 06:46 AM
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You could try adding L-Glut (like 30g) to the PWO drink without adding sugar.....this is a Poliquin trick...so must think he knows it works....
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03-26-2007, 06:58 AM
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Location: Charleston, SC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell
You could try adding L-Glut (like 30g) to the PWO drink without adding sugar.....this is a Poliquin trick...so must think he knows it works....
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I recently ran across something saying that glutamine (like creatine) is instable in water. Anyone else read/heard or have any experience with that?
I have used glutamine before I've never tried what Poliquin recommends in terms of dosage. L-glut is also relatively inexpensive, I used to add 10 grams regularly to my shakes.
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03-26-2007, 11:54 AM
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steve nailed it.
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03-26-2007, 12:52 PM
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If you are unusually sensitive to carbs...maybe. I don't think a majority of people should have a problem with an insulin spike post training. And, insulin spike should really read "glycogen recompensation" or something.
You can always glom down some paleo carbs, or some sweet potatoes, yams, or something.
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03-26-2007, 03:43 PM
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Great stuff. Thanks
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03-26-2007, 04:22 PM
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Yea...Steve nailed it. keep in mind too...this is all pretty speculative. Digging through the archives is helpful for other peoples experiences. Kurtis Bowler had excellent results doing the alternate days fast...even competed in strongman events. You will need to experiment and see how things progress. Just keep an eye on performance and body comp. Both should improve, especially the body comp.
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03-27-2007, 12:25 AM
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Hey, I know we're dealing with pseudo-science here! Hehe.
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