Skinny guy needs introductory help in building mass..

[Mike ODonnell]

Might want to try also 3 BIG meals a day vs the whole every 3 hours. Some people are able to slow down their metabolism by forcing huge calories only 3x a day....vs the other way where you metabolism speeds up with more frequent meals. Could also try the whole 15-19hr IF thing...but that would require a TON of food at a sitting.....no matter what...it's all about the calories....you need to get more from food...and take away calorie expenditure from too much exercise.....probably not the healthies of things long term but for short term mass gain it is quite effective. It's a hell of alot easier to maintain muscle and lose some fat than trying to get the muscle in the first place.....

[Elliot Royce]

A quick post to just say that eating more is the key and you have to disregard your expanding waist line. I've had to loosen my belt by one notch but in the meantime my custom shirts don't fit anymore and my butt is pushing out my trousers from all the squats. You've got to choose whether you want muscle or just look like a model. If the latter, forget all the advice above.

[kevin mckay]

"Simple Fit is a great site but I think it is more geared towards fat loss for larger less fit people"

Obviously the site in not geared for mass gain but the level 8 workouts would challenge many athletes. It would be silly to say they will make you huge or even big but they will be of benefit to many "fit" individuals IMHO.

[Charles Johnson]

Milk, drink it, lots of it!!! with every meal.

[Steve Shafley]

I wrote this somewhere else.

Here's the context.

We were discussing this blog entry by Tim Ferriss on Lyle McDonald's Bodyrecomposition forum

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog...le-in-4-weeks/

If you don't want to read the blog entry, basically it's Tim Ferriss talking about how he gained 34 pounds of muscle in 4 weeks with only 4 hours worth of training, by attempting to duplicate the (in)famous "Colorado Experiment" that Art Jones, of Nautilus, and Casey Viator performed. I don't think I have to point out here that gaining 1.2 pounds of lean body mass PER DAY is extremely unlikely unless there are both unusual conditions at the start, and assistance from jacking up assorted hormonal levels.

I am commenting about hardgainers and skinny folks in general.

The funny thing is that a middle of the road volume program is, in general, much better for the genuine hardgainer than the low volume HIT workouts.

Taking things to failure, much less every damn set to failure, is a recipe for disaster for the genuine hardgainer.

Most of them need to follow an exercise prescription of moderate volume, moderate load, leave a rep or two in the tank, compound movements coupled with adequate nutrition, for a long time...months, maybe years, to get to a nice level of muscular size.

Why can I say this? Because, in the beginning, the Power and Bulk community was a haven for skinny, skinny-fat, and scared Hardgainer Roundtable refugees. The standard advice given above has helped practically EVERY one of them make gains that the so called Hardgainer and HIT routines couldn't.

HIT style programs are tailor made for those using drugs, really. Viator was jacked, and I really suspect Mister 4 Hours was jacked as well...after all, why train for 4 months naturally when you can get the same results if you train for 4 weeks using drugs, and all that?

You cannot base an entire lifetime of working out on one variable. Even the hardcore HIT guys, like Ken Leistner, do a lot of "fun" shit like flipping tires, pushing cars, log presses, and stuff like that, not just grinding out a quick circuit to failure on a list of exercises.

[kevin mckay]

They left out the part involving the implanted rhinoceros pituitary gland

[Justin Chebahtah]

Sam,

Same boat here, have always been a skinnier guy. Been doing starting strength for about 3 months and have gone from 160 to 180 @ 6'2". I'm still a novice but my little piece of advice will be that even though you might think you're eating "a ton"...you're probably not. For the first 2 weeks I felt like I was over-eating but after logging all my food intake on fitday...I realized I still had to cram down more food. Once I got to the point...I found a way to stuff more food down. I guess my point is to make sure you are EATING.

Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell

....I'll have to put together a simple mass site....it involves a fork and heavy weights....

Almost made me spit on the computer screen....funny stuff.

[Mike ODonnell]

This thread has been dead for a while....but this gem can never be said enough...

The funny thing is that a middle of the road volume program is, in general, much better for the genuine hardgainer than the low volume HIT workouts.

Taking things to failure, much less every damn set to failure, is a recipe for disaster for the genuine hardgainer.

Most of them need to follow an exercise prescription of moderate volume, moderate load, leave a rep or two in the tank, compound movements coupled with adequate nutrition, for a long time...months, maybe years, to get to a nice level of muscular size.

[Gavin Harrison]

This thread made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggiC8F7z2Ls (wfs).

[Derek Simonds]

You want the secret? Milk and Dbol

Well I guess that just about covers it.