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kevin mckay 11-08-2006 08:36 PM

negative impact of lsd
Does anybody have any links that document the negative impacts of lsd training? Looking for hard science.

Motion MacIvor 11-08-2006 10:26 PM

I only have good things to say about LSD training but my focus has almost always been cycling so I dont really care if I stay skinny. I think the biggest issue for most people would be RSI and potetialy lower bone density. A friend of mine was training for a race when he fell on his hip. His bones were so fragile he punched the head of his femur though his pelvis. Not a good thing for a twenty seven year old.

Greg Everett 11-09-2006 08:38 AM

I don't have links off hand, but what I can say is this:

1. Lots of individual variation in terms of how/how much LSD affects body comp, performance, etc. But typically the people who can maintain and/or build lean body mass well while doing high volume LSD are genetic anomolies and maintain good body comp regardless of training.

2. Consider adaptation--your body of course adapts to the stimuli to which it's exposed. LSD training is telling your body it needs to be able to fuel LSD efforts. The way to get better at this is functional conversion of type II muscle to type I (i.e. increasing mitochondrial density, increasing oxidative ezyme activity, reducing power capacity), eventually atrophy of type II muscle to reduce body mass and have less to carry and support metabolically (since type II despite some degree of conversion will never match type I's oxidation and fatigue-resistance capacities), and ultimately some atrophy of type I muscle to further reduce body mass and increase capillary density.

Go look at a track team--line up the sprinters next to the distance runners. Nearly invariably the sprinters are lean, muscular and powerful; the distance runners are skinny, have higher body fat %, and have little power capacity.

As far as excessive oxidative stress from LSD goes, there are arguments that claim the body can bump up its inherent anti-oxidant capacity, but nothing stunning. It's not argued by any sources I know of that LSD suppresses immune system function. Repetitive use injuries. Hypotension. Unnaturally regular heart beat.

I think Art DeVany has written quite a bit on the subject. Here's one link:

Russell Greene 11-09-2006 10:18 AM

It's not hard science, but I've only run faster since I stopped doing LSD, at all distances, while gaining lean mass and a lot of strength and power. My mile the season I did LSD was 5:35, the season I didn't do LSD it was 5:12, and I was 20 lbs. heavier with a 50 lb. higher power clean, and was training for swimming and the shot put at the same time. Look at Dean Karnazes, he's considered muscular by distance runners, and weighs only 154 lbs. I consider myself fairly thin and I'm 173 lbs.

When I want to go slow and long, I go for a long walk. You get the same mental benefits of relaxation and spending time outside, without the joint trauma and loss of strength and power.

Jeremy Jones 11-09-2006 11:28 AM

I don't know any hard evidence off hand, but this would be the first place I would look:

Greg Everett 11-09-2006 03:24 PM

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And don't forget to consider the long-term effects of LSD:

John Vernon 11-09-2006 04:50 PM

Thanks Greg, that has got to be the MOST convincing argument not to partake in LSD.

Jeremy Jones 11-10-2006 03:50 PM

How'd you get a picture of my Mom?!

Brad Hirakawa 11-10-2006 08:32 PM

Your mom? In fact, that is a picture of me!!!!!!

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Robb Wolf 11-11-2006 07:03 AM

Mama Brad...classic!

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